Interview 1991 – The Origins of the Philosophy of Liberty with Ken Schoolland

by | Dec 8, 2025 | Interviews, Videos | 13 comments

James Corbett and Ernest Hancock interview Ken Schoolland, the retired professor of economics who wrote the text for The Philosophy of Liberty. If you’ve seen the philosophy of liberty video and appreciate its message, you won’t want to miss this conversation on the roots of that video and the emerging effort to bring the philosophy of liberty to the masses.

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The Philosophy of Liberty video is available here: The Philosophy of Liberty

It is also available with music and no narration, with narration and no music, with different music, etc. What’s more, it’s available in dozens and dozens of languages at JonathanGullible.com.

Ken Schoolland’s book is The Adventures of Jonathan Gullible: A Free Market Odyssey

Ernest Hancock’s program is Declare Your Independence. I’m a guest on the program every other Wednesday night (US time).

13 Comments

  1. I like that he emphasized the right to Life, Liberty, and Property, just as it was in the constitution until the greed set in on the controllers and they switched it to “…the pursuit of happiness.”

    Through a life of very low income and parents who didn’t give a crap about me I naturally just drifted to taking care of myself. Lots of accusations and judgements from others when one does that calling one selfish, or even being lazy, etc. but that is from the comfort of their staying within the rules.

    I’M A FREE MAN (song)
    https://old.bitchute.com/video/tNdAxAV9Ed9o/

    • ejdoyle,
      My history has it that the Assembly of State Delegates at the time delegated three Delegates to write the Constitution. Thomas Jefferson was tasked with writing the rough draft which contained the words, “Life, Liberty, and Property”. It was Ben Franklin who was anti slavery in a time when it was not popular to be anti-slavery that had it changed to “Pursuit of Happiness”. He did this because most of the southern States believed that Slaves were Property. John Adams would had gone along with this idea. Compromises had to be made at a time when they were at war with the most powerful nation on earth.
      Once the war for Independence was won Ben Franklin petitioned the new government for Redress of Grievances on the Slavery issue only to have the southern Reps vote it down to the point where they would no longer hear Redress of Grievances. They did this even though it was Guaranteed in the very first Amendment.
      It is amazing that the government lasted 60 years before it split apart over this issue.

      • Thanks TS
        I was close 🙂 I know In God We Trust was from the 50’s and thought it was recent as well.

        >>It is amazing that the government lasted 60 years before it split apart over this issue.>>

        What is really amazing is people have been groomed and propagandized to the point where we don’t fight back anything, especially taxes, wars, etc. as if we were supposed to have total governance??

        John Carpenter was so brilliant in They Live:

        “Our impulses are being redirected. We are living in an artificially induced state of consciousness that resembles sleep…the poor and the underclass are growing… They have created a repressive society and we are their unwitting accomplices… …their intention to rule rests with the annihilation of consciousness.

        We have been lulled into a trance. They have made us indifferent, to ourselves, to others, we are focused only on our own gain…they are safe as long as they are not discovered.

        That is their primary method of survival. Keep us asleep, keep us selfish, keep us sedated… …they are dismantling the sleeping middle class. More and more people are becoming poor. We are their cattle. We are being bred for slavery.”

        One of the weapons of mass delusion:

        GET OFF THE PHONE (song)
        https://old.bitchute.com/video/2QbsxZOkIYjA/

    • I grew up in a ghetto also, although I didn’t know it. My parents worked two jobs each. I raised myself, but that meant I wasn’t indoctrinated by my parents, like most. In society I heard only the collectivist/authoritarian line, but I rejected it, intuitively. At 8, I got thrown out of Sunday School and church for calling the bible “entertaining fairy stories”. I later decided I didn’t know if god existed, but it didn’t matter because I rejected living my life under threat from a bully. (God didn’t “suggest”, only command.) I needed to hear your rational argument if you wanted to convince me. At 9, I was “told”, not asked, to join my class in promising to obey my “nation”, “because you’re free”. I said: “If I’m free, I decline. I feel uncomfortable giving strangers a promise to do whatever they want of me, forever.” I was physically attacked, expelled. I went back as a favor to my parents, who said I could just stand with the class, skipping the “pledge”. It seemed dishonest, but they promised they were working hard to get us a new residence. The next year, a new clause was added, “under god”. That was too much, asking me to pretend to be religious. I told my teacher I wouldn’t join in because I was an atheist. My new teacher, like the old one, attacked me physically, took me to the principal’s office. Again, without explanation, I was expelled. I was puzzled, e.g., why would anyone care what my personal beliefs were? The answer was in the violence they used to “teach”.
      My favorite political song is Bob Dylan’s “Trust Yourself”.

      • @Voluntaryist
        >>I grew up in a ghetto also, although I didn’t know it.>>
        Not really a “ghetto” for me (clean streets, no crime, friendly people) just everyone around (1st gen Italian, Mexican, Jewish, Greek, etc.) were low income it just seemed natural until I got to High School where it was quite obvious there were “classes” of people.

        >>I raised myself, but that meant I wasn’t indoctrinated by my parents, like most.>>
        I’ve grown to understand they were both 1st gen Chicago Irish and Italian from large families and when they finally became middle class in California from multiple jobs and from rigorous Catholic church and organizations they probably thought they were doing their best. Not really some nefarious agenda indoctrination.

        >>At 8, I got thrown out of Sunday School and church for calling the bible “entertaining fairy stories”.>>
        I always question if that sort of level of “enlightenment” is true or just colorful story telling?? The rest of this seems far beyond the cognitive ability level of an 8 year old.
        I mean around that age I got thrown out of being an altar boy, but for being a goof off during mass and not some intellectual insight into organized religious belief.

        >>My favorite political song is Bob Dylan’s “Trust Yourself”.>>
        Never heard it.

  2. James, You ought to read the entire John Stuart Mill’s On Liberty of Thought and Discussion and Political Philosophy: A Very Short Introduction by David Miller. You miss a lot about what is requires for true liberty. Give it a go. Since liberty is your jam you need a richer philosophical grounding. Understanding Rawls and the processes for deciding what is just is important too. I got a fabulous education in political philosophy at the College of William Mary which also produced (older, giant) James Comey who didnt take the same classes I did. He dumped over a folding table where, at 18, I was giving out fliers about taking action against the CIA in Central America and I shouted to Comey he wouldn’t amount to anything in life because he is a sociopath. I didn’t then realize that sociopathy can really set one the path to success in these United States.

    • Yep, Sociopaths seem to do pretty well in the land where the government is controlled Zionist Terrorists. Look at how well Bill Gates has done after dropping out of Harvard.
      James Angleton was a Zionist who was Director of Counter Intelligence for the CIA from 1954-1974. Indeed they like Sociopaths.

  3. I always remind myself after a disappointment, ‘There are no heroes only sources of information’
    And I had to grind my teeth through a lot of right-wing propaganda while listening to Corbett’s guests
    But never in a million years would have expected James Corbett to platform a CIA USAID style circle jerk.
    How many times did they mention the Arab Spring before going as far as taking credit for it?
    You might think it’s a joke considering the weasely smile but I have looked up their token Moroccan Nouh El Harmouzi. The more I learned about him the more I’m disappointment in Corbett.
    Apparently he’s not practicing what he is preaching.

    Is this a test to see if we are doing our own research or just gubling up whatever he throws at us?

  4. OK, I’ve donned my flame retardant underwear because this is gonna get spicy.

    Our friend here admitted within the first few minutes that he aided a CIA driven colour revolution by dropping propaganda into foreign countries.

    This guy is either a spook or a Useful Idiot.

    I’ve been a libertarian my entire life but I’m starting to wonder if I haven’t been psyopped into this political position by decades of US propaganda.

    • Glad to see someone noticed

      • Tagouramt

        Yes, notice was taken. Thought of the day . I always heard a taven keeper say ” I have to pay the piper to git the mice in here to drink.”
        Also , on an open source news website there is very little news and a lot of polls. Who pays attention to this?
        I’m in for the long haul here. Time goes forward, it’s our greatest judicator . Truth aways has been the companion of time. Ready for one more?
        Gold rides an iron train , truth rides the time train like gold rides the iron train; to the station. The lies and overburden rarely reach the station. The departure station is not to be confused with the destination station. Paying freight for lies will leave you bankrupt in time.
        The General addressing his staff .

        • LOL
          Your inkeeper joke reminds me of my own thoughts on Three Letter Agencies. I always think of an exterminator dropping ‘calling cards’ to generate business.

          Call it mommy issues but I think everything goes back to the mother.
          If we can’t face those we will never get anywhere.

          There are tribes over the whole world who think that it is love when your mother treats you the same way when you are forty as when you were four.

          A mother who doesn’t let you do anything but keeps complaining, ‘I have to do everything around here’
          If you do something it’s never good enough and don’t you dare do it even better.

          So it’s great to complain or even mock people for not ‘thinking for themselves’ even though nothing in their world is adapted to that but what do you do when people think for themselves and find you lacking?
          Or you have done such a great job of teaching them they don’t need you anymore and fly away?
          Which is worse when making jokes about people who don’t think for themselves keeps the light on?

          I got the inkeeper joke the rest, I didn’t understand

  5. James,

    I absolutely loved this interview and the work of Ken; I am spreading it around — great that it exists in so many languages.

    Now, I would really like to know your take on some of the heroes of Ken: the Austrian School of economics (Mises, Hayek etc.) and figures like Ayn Rand. I get so controversial signals about these — some voluntaryists, like Ken, are inspired by them, but then, they apparently also serve as the philosophical foundation for “neo-liberalism”, which, as far as I can tell, is one of the most radical ideologies defending the rich and powerful and their ‘right’ to do with all the others whatever they like (cf. the person of Friedman, who, I understand, belongs to the Austrian School and who also is the key figure of the Chicago School, with their support for Chile’s Pinochet etc.).
    I remember having heard critical, perhaps even sarcastic comments about Ayn Rand from you, but I can be mistaken. How come the same persons are valued from people with so opposite ideological positions?

    Generally, as so many, I guess, I am struggling to wrap my mind around the need to combine both, liberty/freedom and social justice (in a general, non-ideological sense: not “equality of outcome”, but recognizing that in a healthy society there cannot be absurd differences between the few most rich and the poor masses, which in my understanding inevitably results in the rich oppressing the rest, as has always happened throughout history and is happening right now on steroids) — in a free, stateless society, how do we prevent some from accumulating (or acquiring by inheritance) riches to a point where those riches translate into power over others?

    Thanks!
    Tsepati

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