Interview 1941 – The Externalization of the Money Masters with Jacob Nordangård

by | Mar 26, 2025 | Interviews, Videos | 36 comments

Author and researcher Jacob Nordangård joins James to discuss his new article, “Externalization of the Money Masters,” which provides a very different take on the rise to power of Mark Carney. From Madame Blavatsky and theosophy to Alice Bailey and The Externalisation of the Hierarchy to Nordangård and Temple of Solomon, you won’t want to miss this fascinating exploration of the occult roots of the globalist agenda.

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  1. Thanks for the intel on Carney.. seems like a real life long bankster

    Sadly, I know a few people here that are warming to his propaganda speeches as they are thinking he is “the lesser of two evils” compared to Trudeau or that twitchy zombie lady that likes to freeze bank accounts.

    I think these budding Mark Carney fans are gong to be in for an unpleasant surprise.

    • A quick election leaves the public little time to find out who Carney really is. Part of the plan I guess.

      I figured he had ties to WEF but it’s good to know exactly how.

      With a few searches I found that he has threatened/promised (depending on the news source) to use executive powers to get things done. Just like Trump is doing in the US.

      Also, his daughter is transexual and promoting transexuality.

      • @Solitaire Cat

        I am too busy searching the forest floor for ramps, mushrooms and signs of my guerilla gardening efforts successfully germinating to search for Political theater stuff so I appreciate the additional intel.

  2. I just feel it should be mentioned that their tower project will fail, but in the process of building and falling billions of lives will be destroyed, and possibly the human genome, as well. Knowing they will fail is not enough.

    • Yes – how to protect the human genome. In NY state, our over-reaching government has mandated the vaccination of Amish children against their will. There are around 300 RNA-based “vaccines” in the pipeline. Add to that the genetically modified viruses, bacteria, and foods that are being developed or already deployed, and ponder how our genome is being attacked on multiple unnatural fronts.

    • The discussion in the video was talking about a spiritual battle. The externalization of the hierarchy is talking about a SPIRITUAL hierachy of demons–fallen angels. This battle is the entire theme of the Bible.

      Our Creator watched as these same fallen angels corrupted human DNA before the Flood when those angels mated with women and created Nephilim and human/animal hybrids that we see in all the ancient religions reliefs and hieroglyphics.

      Since this is a spiritual problem, it requires a spiritual solution.

      The book of Revelation tells us that there will be two witnesses that show up and the locusts and they will plague this beast system for 3.5 years before its destroyed.

      Whatever DNA is destroyed, and whatever humans have lost their lives, can be restored and resurrected to a beautiful paradise earth where God is in full control with this hierarchy out of the way.

      The Tower of Babel story should be encouraging as well as the Noah flood, because it shows that he intervened in the past and will do so again.

      He will not let these people ruin HIS creation.

      • Maybe a spiritual battle, maybe just Zionists doing what they have done for 3000 years.

        There may be supernatural forces at work, who knows, but the idea that humans could comprehend such ethereal forces is ludicrous.

        Anything is possible, but if we only focus on what we know, and not what we have been conditioned to believe, this all breaks down to the Abrahamic/Jewish religions blueprint for world domination. All these occults and secret societies have Judaism as their basis. Looking at Freemasonry, it is all Jewish.

        What amazes me is that with all we know, people still cling to myths versus what we know to be true. We know the powers behind all these horrible world events, we know their goals, we see Israel creating Eretz Israel, using genocide that all the major world powers do nothing to stop. This is a Zionist NWO in the making, they will use spirituality as a cover.

        I am always open to new information, but I highly doubt there is a pitch fork wielding entity behind what is going on right now, rather psychopathic Zionists. The same evil that murdered untold millions in Russia. Coincidently, right before the rise of Jewish Bolshevism in Russia, there was a flurry of religious bull shit, all to cover the actions of very real Zionists.

        I would rather believe in what I know, than that offered up as real by the same people who are working for a NWO. But faith is a funny thing, it overwhelms logic and reason, that is why they use it. I am open to any eventuality, sadly, many corrupted by the Zionist mind control are not, to do so would be a betrayal of “their” faith…a perfect mind trap.

    • In addition to vaccines which insert foreign DNA into our bodies, we should look at IVF which is being supported now by many governments. I recently saw a report on CBN about 1 million ‘snowflake babies’ available for adoption. Sounds like many people have frozen their embryos just in case, and now they are looking for wombs to grow them and give them life.

      Why did Trump call himself the father of IVF?

      Why are all of Elon Musk’s children created through IVF? One of the mothers, Ashley St. Clair, claimed she conceived her baby with IVF and “DNA from other organisms”. The information was quickly removed from X and it is alleged to have been false. They would say its false because they do not want this getting out.

  3. Thank you for another great interview.

    I sometimes wonder if the occult practices are expressions of actual religious beliefs or if they are yet another means of control. I suspect it depends on your station in the organization.

    Recently I watched a video on the coming earth magnetic pole shift, which also warned about the periodic (circa 12,000-year cycle) sun outbursts that likely destroy everything above ground in it’s path. Instead of fear or dread about these pending geologic disasters, I felt a sense of relief, envisioning destruction of the hardware of algocracy. Meanwhile, humans must preserve their ability to reproduce and survive naturally, which we are at risk of losing if we don’t teach and practice these skills. (Shout-out to those who do.)

  4. This was an interesting interview. Thank you very much Mr Corbett.

    The Lucis/Lucifer trust sits on the UN World Council of Churches even though it’s kinda backing the opposition.

    They are also soposedly behind the Occupy movement- I have seen docs online that support this, but not gone and tried to find the originals.

    Here is where I heard it first

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XtbWJvY1dXg&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5tD

    They used to do their “Triangles” prayer thing online- it was creepy as F to listen to. Chris Knowles (secret sun blog) once said iirc that they appear to be a hollow organization, full of old weirdos, and hypothesed that they are a holding device that will be filled with the actual cultists later on.

    A good source of info on theosophy and Occult organization inside government of the past is Dr Richard Spence (secretagent666, Wall Street and the Russian revolution) who has appeared on many far less serious conspiracy podcasts then the Corbett Report.

    Secret Agent666 really reshaped my understanding of hiw power worked in the late Victorian age …. Masonry was all over the civil service and when it got too common the high class people moved into Magic revival.

    Funny thing about technology and John Dee is how he had plans to create an Occukt British Empire using “angelic” technology…stuff like having angels deliver messages securely or get info. Sad thing is that whenever people start messing with that stuff it ALWAYS ends ip in the same place. the CCRU people started off as druggie cyber punks and some went VERY off the deep end from
    What I hear into Occultism.

    The demons are always trying the same spiel, but at the end of the day they can only do as much as God allows them to do. I have no doubt that some people at the top of the NWO are demonized.

    Good books on possession are nevius “Demon possession “ and TK Osterreich’s historical overview “ Possession Demoniacal And Other”

    Constance Cumby (who was alive last time I looked) was big in breaking the news on the New Age, though it’s not new- just another damn repeat…the sad thing to realize is that EVERYONE

    Has been exposed to these ideas- even much of the “truther” conspiracy people believe THE SAME things as the NWO types….i even start to wonder why we keep getting told about an “awakening” and what we are meant to awaken to.

    • The article Towards 2025 on Lucis Trust describes how visualizing the triangles network invokes light, which is in reality darkness of the occult. They identify 2025 as the time when those with spiritual enlightenment (darkness) emerge as leaders, and a ‘Christ-like figure’ will emerge as prophesied. https://www.lucistrust.org/triangles/bulletin/recent_issues//towards_2025

      I recommend caution with this gentleman’s work because there is some evidence he is in the occult. First, he mentions the number 777, Aleister Crowley’s number, who is reputed to have been the wickedest man in the world. The number 777 signifies spiritual awakening, growth and enlightenment. In the occult, enlightenment is always darkness.Secondly, when he’s talking about the music that comes with his book, we see the picture of the double helix that represents both the human DNA and the stairway to heaven. The group Deep Purple on the wall behind him represents the black sun that is not black but deep purple. Those in the occult often provide some truth to entice us to listen to them, like we are on the same team.

      I recommend the book Light Bearers of Darkness which describes how the occult have been preparing for this time, and how the occult practices (possibly Triangles meditation) lead to demonic possession. You can get a free copy on archive.org.

      • “…I recommend caution with this gentleman’s work because there is some evidence he is in the occult….”

        I agree.

        New Age thinking is very common, its infiltrated the normie space to a degree that would shock people if their selves from 20 or 30 years ago arrived direct from the past. New Age thinking has been injected into Conspiracy space for a long time.

  5. Axioms ! I will let Oxford explain it’s meaning.
    axioms meaning https://g.co/kgs/Dh1GVXx

    Are they created by reactions to lies, misdirections, deceit? Truths the PTSB have yet been unable to reconstruct, to alter the true meaning. To cement a false narrative.
    Are they teflon Propaganda ? Truths that defy the PTSB attempts at desecrating meaning, understanding of a singular unaltered truth?

    We find these axioms scattered around like nuggets of gold, placer truths. They are buried under a ton of overburden. Waste rock and worthless debris. I had a conversation the other day about killing as the first thought. First action, first response. I poorly presented the idea of changing that first idea of killing as overburden on ones mind. Propaganda. How do you free yourself of those layers of propaganda, of conditioning? More work to change ones mind than change the ease of a lazy resolution, the final solution. When facts fail, when logic fails you get knee jerk first thoughts , kill, fast , friendly and final? Not really, as say, what do you do when you rely on your overburden to keep you warm but spiritually poor . You of course reject the idea of an axiom.
    One that comes to mind is the ten commandments. Guidelines for interactions of humanity. Number 6 is thou shalt not kill. But the lazy mind buried under tons of propaganda will find an exception to rational thinking and say that’s not what that means. It means something else . I keep looking and I’m convinced an axiom is unaffected by the magic of lies, magic words . Shy away from killing is what it has come to mean for the hard of think magician. It took a few years to become the axiom it has become. It’s like collecting a tax you do not deserve. Taking life is theft of what doesn’t belong to you.

    • Good point! I think the saying “those who stand for nothing will fall for everything” applies here.

      I have often thought about how when countries go to war, they call on young men to defend their country by murdering the ‘enemies’ from other countries.

      Then there’s the little white lie of Santa Claus that many including myself accept as a part of our culture.

  6. WOW!

    James, I have been following your work for several years now and this was the first time I’ve ever had such cognitive dissonance with the material being presented… kind of a whack on the side of the head.

    My rabbit hole explorations have been wide ranging spanning well over a decade and it has ranged from Quantum Mechanics to accelerating geopolitical directions (i.e. NWO) all the way to Spiritual and Occult themes and philosophies.

    This included my involvement in the Consciousness movement, sometimes referred to as the “Shift” around the 2012 date. I participated in a program by Barbara Marx Hubbard called “Agents of Conscious Evolution (ACE)” with contributions from many people like Laszlo and other like minded thinkers. At it’s core was a shift to a unified collective consciousness in alignment with spiritual values… not getting brain chipped by Elon et. al.

    IMO… there definitely is a choice point facing us all… the “unity” offered by the NWO via borg like tech hive mind )or what I refer to as a Soul trap)…. OR a unity of human consciousness thru the noosphere NOT the internet… these are polar opposite paths.

    I am somewhat versed in Theosophy but more involved in the break away Anthroposophy… Rudolf Steiner’s The Wisdom of Man. His major hope for the Wisdom of Man was to reconnect with our divine potential and bring in an new kind of science he call “Spiritual Science”.

    James, you have shown us many times the WEF’s complete antipathy to things spiritual… highlighting Harari’s comment… all that stuff about Jesus rising from the dead and being the Son of God… that’s fake news. And his comment about humans talking about having a Soul and Free Will…. that’s over. Doesn’t really strike me as anything divinely spiritual.

    There is a battle of sorts going on… the two concurrent tracks are; the NWO trans-humanist track and the spirtualist’s track of a unified divine collective consciousness… no WiFi necessary 😉

    The second group believes in God, however the individual perceives that… the first group thinks they ARE God.

    I strongly urge your guest to see if he considers Mark Carney or his ilk to be more likely to think of humanity as useless eaters or as living beings just coming into their divine realization…. his digging deeper into the “occult” themes may be in order. He may want to take a quick look at Steiner’s book;

    https://www.amazon.com/Electronic-Doppelg%C3%A4nger-Mystery-Double-Internet/dp/1855845253

    IMO the consciousness movement is the path I am subscribed to… the “innernet” not the internet.

    • Theosophy is the old version of the NWO religion and the AI tech Bros are the new version of the same thing.

      At its heart it’s basically the elevation of Man to god hood and a rejection of God….the New Age religionous drive was well supported by HG Wells and the other NWO types of those days and. Theosophy itself is the product of a probable Gov spook.

      A good (non religious) source on that is Prof Spence’s book secret agent 666 about Crowley- a lot of the background story revolves around how government types used that kind of thing. Gnosticism, New Age, magic and magick, it’s all tied into the same urge as a lot of science which is why Bacon and Dee have a lot more in common then most people think.

    • This article on Unlimited Hangout has some disturbing information about Barbara Marx Hubbard.

      “Why did the celebrated futurist Barbara Marx Hubbard call for the culling of one-fourth of the human population? John Klyczek tracked down Hubbard’s infamous unpublished manuscript and digs deeper into the legacy of her Malthusian gospel of “conscious” transhuman evolution.”

      https://unlimitedhangout.com/2025/01/investigative-series/barbara-marx-hubbard-and-the-malthusian-transhumanist-riders-of-the-pale-horse/

  7. I’m so glad you are talking about this! I’ve been researching the Externalization of the Hierarchy for a while. Couple things to share:

    1. World Brain

    in order to understand this, you have to read Olaf Stapledon, one of the earliest sci-fi authors. Particularly his books Star Maker and Last and First Men. Stapledon was a favorite of early technocrats and his vision of a planetary consciousness was a big inspiration for early concepts of man+machine.

    2. 2025

    For in-depth info on this, check out the work of Steven Chernikeeff

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9X2XSq3bc4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtryH-LkBt8

    book: https://twelvestar.org/2025-and-the-world-teacher-page/

    3. Theosophy: best source for insights about their past and present work is Phillip Lindsay:

    https://esotericastrologer.org/about/

    4. The Hierarchy

    The Planned Work of the Hierarchy
    The Masters are a worldwide group of executives, adept and skilled in the various fields of work in the modern world, organised into a close network of communication throughout the world, with representatives in all nations, both east and west, and working in the closest co-operation.

    The overall hierarchical organisation has three major divisions: one having responsibility for world political progress, or government in its true sense; the second having responsibility for teaching in its three aspects, education, religion and healing; and a third division having responsibility for all economic progress, industry, labour and capital relations, scientific discovery, finance as it pertains to all fields, intellectual culture, and the arts. This third division is the largest of the three, with many different departments of work.

    The Masters of the Wisdom are far more practical and realistic than the most efficient big business executives in our modern world. They are far more potent in affecting world events than are the most powerful leaders of any nation or government in the world. They make a constant study of human affairs, watching human trends and human planning for world betterment.

    Anything that is really good for humanity as a whole is a legitimate aid to their work and fits in to the fundamental purpose of the Plan itself. For example, the establishing of right human relations between races and nations and groups of every kind; the substitution of co-operation for competition in all departments of human affairs; the growth of the recognition and use of the power of goodwill.

    The work since the 15th century has been carried forward by the sending out of senior disciples, qualified and trained to work in these particular fields. A number of such disciples appeared at about the same time, sometimes in different parts of the world, working separately, but producing an effect upon human consciousness. Today, all of the work is interrelated and co-ordinated into one worldwide group effort, and the senior members of this group who are responsible for the implementing of the Plan in these various fields have been called the New Group of World Servers.

    from: https://www.lucistrust.org/world_goodwill/world_goodwill_literature_on_line__2/the_work_the_spiritual_hierarchy_the_planet

  8. I have read a number of books by Alice Bailey and the extracts and statements provided in this interview by Mr. Nordangård seem to have been taken out of context. The teachings talk about how souls evolve through reincarnation over ions to reach Illumination. The Ascended Masters or their followers are not the ones wanting to take over the world and implement a technocracy with bankers like Carney at the top. According to Bailey, the Masters have been around for thousands of years and help humanity evolve. The teachings invite students to serve humanity, not the other way around. While most religious movements are, at their base, promoting harmony, respect and peaceful actions, there has always been selfish actors that use religion for control of the masses. It’s a bit like Star Wars, the Force is available to everyone but the Sith can be more powerful than Jedis when strong negative emotions are channelled. Similarly, a number of leaders use satanic and questionable occult practices that have nothing to do with what Lucis Trust and the books written by Alice Bailey talk about and stand for.

  9. Having followed you for over 10 years, I wondered when you might wander into this rabbit hole…it’s been in the works since the 1850s or so. I first wandered into some of these groups and topics during the 60’s. The breadth of global coverage and the number of groups functioning today is truly remarkable. Very important topic to cover and appreciate you having Jacob on as a guest.

  10. I confess, I am an ex student of the esoteric school under the umbrella of the Lucis Trust the Arcane School in which you absorb through a correspondence course, including sending in monthly meditation reports, all the ‘wisdom’ in the AAB books plus a generous helping of Theosophical (Blavatsky) and Agni Yoga (Helena Roerich) writing from their many books. It is heady stuff and very idealistic in its presentation. The whole idea is to bring the Soul essence down and through the personality so that each Arcane School student of this “Ageless Wisdom” can become a “World Server” as part of the invisible group of World Servers bringing in the Divine Plan for Humanity in co operation with the Masters. A very grand plan and appealing to the idealism of many people.
    I woke up from this dream when I found the Lucis Trust’s attitude towards the U N during the Covid Scam puzzling. They refused to entertain any scepticism of the WHO and its message during 2020 and when I raised this with the H Q group of the Lucis Trust I was told that the Master D K had said back in 1945 that the U N was best hope for Humanity to stop the ‘scourge of war’ and therefore we must obediently support all actions of this organisation. “Our way or the highway” – dogmatic and cultish. So I left. Some of the information in the AAB books is useful on how to live a moral life etc. but no different from a lot of other spiritual groups. Another cultish aspect is their group use of a prayer called the Great Invocation which is said aloud at group meetings and conferences of the Lucis Trust supposedly inaugurated by the ‘Christ’ in 1945 at the founding of the U N. On its surface it seems a harmless prayer but I suspect as Jacob mentioned these Globalist forces can use this naive idealistic energy to help drive their agenda. As the old saying goes “the pathway to Hell is paved with good intentions”.

    • It is hard to address ‘rabbit holes’. To the undiscerning the reflected light in a still mountain lake can be misconstrued as ‘light supernal’. The unreal mimicks, by reflection, the real. So it is that evil intent loves to mesmerize its intended victims by adopting the superficial appearance of goodness. Many are taken in.
      You left the UN because it seemed cultish. Something did not feel right. Something did not strike the right note even if you could not describe what it was.

      The war between good and evil is real. There is no question that satanic rituals and incantations exist. The difference between White Magic and Black Magic is intent.

      These and all ‘pairs of opposites’ are simply part of manifested life. It is through the use of free will and choice that we ‘choose the way’ and grow in awareness.

      The New World Order, as in Agenda 2030, is pure evil. Their agenda serves the material, or animal side of human nature, the controlling organizations within society, and the differences among people. Detail and Multiplicity. Mechanistic.

      The life principle animates all individual expressions and each creation, in that sense, is equal to all others. Unity. Quality.

      The UN, WEF, WHO respects neither individual dignity, norfree will, nor the human evolution towards soul consciousness…..that developed, engaged, focused, intuitive, abstract and creative state of mind. This mind seeks to bring into manifest expression some kind of structure or order in society which will facilitate, and bring about what is needed to develop soul conscious in others….thus serving the human condition and planetary life in general.

      We have to evolve past the ‘lower self’ that only wants (necessarily of course) material comfort, and the assurance of physical survival. It is ‘selfish’ orientated. Later in evolution soul qualities of selflessness and service slowly energe. And later still one become fully soul infused.

      If the United Nations is a unit of ‘life’, it too will need to become soul infused. At some distant point in evolution if the people who comprise it are sufficiently soul aware, then it might actually begin to fulfill the vision set out for it in the Bailey Books.

      But ‘the UN globalists’ who are identified with the matter are attempting to weaken and enslave humanity by all warfare means possible…. food, water, healthcare, drugs, education, religion, EMF, psy-ops, fear-generating crises, etc.

      We are in the midst of a spiritual warfare which is being fought (mainly) on the plain of mind. That is because if the door to freedom is to remain closed humans must not be able to attain soul awareness.

      At the end of the second world war it was said by Dhual Kuhl that the door where evil dwells was not shut.

      Perhaps that is the job humanity has ahead of it during the Age of Aquarius. May we succeed aided by the Light, Love and the Will of God. And the Reappearance of the Christ. And the Externalization of the Hierarchy.

  11. The word ‘occult’ means ‘hidden’. The science of spirit and matter, the evolving comsciouness of the electromagnetic universe …..and the science of becoming etc. are all occult subjects. The evolutionary task of all units of life is contained in the story of the prodigal son.
    What really is the Externalization of the Hierarchy? And will there be enough spiritually capable humans who are able to resonate with the incoming energy and through compassionate insight, intelligent will and skillful competency be able to be competently create in accordance with the Hierchical plan? To what end?
    https://youtu.be/ik_M3v1cNho?si=N2Vx7f_MWvtyV7eo

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