No Corbetteer worth his or her salt would be surprised to learn that someone would be indefinitely blocked from Wikipedia for daring to suggest that Wikipedians respect intellectual diversity. But even the most battle-hardened, world-weary Corbettean cynic might be surprised to learn that that’s exactly what happened to the co-founder of Wikipedia himself. Don’t miss this fascinating conversation as James discusses the nitty-gritty details of this latest act of online censorship and Wikigatekeeping with none other than Larry Sanger himself.
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Knowledge Standards Foundation (Encyclosphere)
Essays on Free Knowledge: The Origins of Wikipedia and the New Politics of Knowledge
WikiProject Intellectual Diversity
Why WikiProject Intellectual Diversity?
During the โCovid pandemicโ (read hoax), we saw for the first time in history how specialists, professors, doctors (medical or intellectual) were being canceled in mass and narratives were put in place to have these โexpertsโ (there are experts and then there are experts) were vilified, called names and made out to be kooks. Why?
Could it be due to the fact that what they had to say went against the approved government narrative?
Then you also had the MSM and social media being weaponized to keep people afraid and to make sure people will not listen to these dissenters. Now, do you think that with 9/11 and narratives around what happened that day could not happen just like it did with covid?
NO! Never, our government will never manage our perceptions.
NEVER, EVER, EVER contemplate that your perception during traumatic events can be managed.
We have NEVER seen a solid building turn into a frothing sea of dust before 9/11 or after. Iโve watched hundreds of conventional controlled demolition of concrete buildings, steel structures, like bridges and more – Iโm yet to find ANYTHING that looks similar.
Someone who did not outsource their thinking, wasnโt too traumatised and her consciousness stayed in tact – She immediately started looking at the whole event critically and started making notes, listening to what was being said on the TV and kept on observingโฆ.
Let me introduce you to the scientist Wikipedia has had on a block list since 2006.
Article:https://911revision.substack.com/p/wikipedias-block-listed-911-scientist
Video: https://rumble.com/v45v1sw-who-is-dr-judy-wood.html
I disagree with Judy Wood’s hypothesis.
I think that some demolition experts have better ideas of how it was done.
(See ae911truth for example)
But different ideas and hypotheses should be possible.
The main problem is that people see “evidence” very differently.
Someone else might see evidence for nuclear weapons.
And the government wants us to think that fire from 2 jets can bring 3 buildings down just like a demolition. Using the jets as evidence.
Jets that have military versions of components, based on the maneuvers and the shapes and IDs of the remains
(pilots for 911 truth).
This Red Herring is irrelevant to the topic at hand, but quite suitable for stirring up shit.
The only practical application of Judy Woods work is to further foul up the investigations of all the other work of the diligent Truthers. Another minor side benefit is the exposure and the poor scientific education and reasoning faculties of her promoters.
I agree. Judy does not bring any evidence.
Instead she brings together things that are weird.
Without any further research of how these things may happen in other ways,
she just pushes the idea that it is all caused by cold-fusion caused by something above.
So that is why I brought “evidence” as a topic.
The architects and engineers 911 (AE911) explain all these things with known chemical reactions.
The dust is full with traces of thermite. (chemical that burns metals).
The amount of explosives and thermite is estimated 2x the amount that is commonly used for demolition. So this leaves a lot of oxidizers that can affect other materials.
Some towers nearby were damaged by the chemicals in the dust, as we can see from lawsuits. There was even molten molybdenum reported.
From the physics alone we can already see that 3 towers were brought down
with demolitions.
a collapse does not go to free fall, while expelling walls side-wards at high speeds.
So AE911 has very solid evidence !!
And the reason is likely the 21 trillion dollars that disappeared in the Pentagon budget.
21 trillion reasons to kill some people
After this was known, Judy came with her ideas.
And that is why many see her as a plant to disturb the 911 truth community.
Her influence led to people claiming the planes were fake. (another plant?)
I saw some videos were Planes were removed to make this claim seem correct.
And some claimed that UFOs brought them down.
And due to the emergency exit signs with tritium, some claim that
mini-nukes brought the towers down.
Instead of the solid evidence that AE911 delivered,
this all diverted into weird theories with no real evidence.
The 911 false flag goes even further
Plane switch?
There were plane-components (like engines, tails) at WTC and pentagon,
which can all be identified exactly with component-IDs.
Based on Pilots for 911 truth, they are from military versions of the planes.
(the engines have clear different visible features to prevent stalling at high speeds)
The transponders, which were off for a short time, seem to show where
planes were possibly switched. Transponders do not go off (temporary) during hijackings.
In CIA operation Northwoods was a similar plan.
While the planes had a lot of military specialists, the CIA probably killed the people that may talk after landing
Mossad clearly involved
The demolition cables were likely planted during a “art-project” by “students” from Israel.
They also made (trick) pictures of people jumping out of the building.
The planes crashing into the towers was recorded live by “the dancing israelis”,
who also had this depicted on their van. See FBI report.
The Pentagon is fully involved
Based on the people who messed with the security and planted the Bin Laden lies,
we can see who the real terrorists on this inside are.
There were so many “coincidences”.
On 911, the military did hijacking “exercises” and had withdrawn the air-defense.
The military planes (plane-switch) were clearly flown by the US military themselves.
Iโm on the fence about Dr. Judy Wood.
I did attend the Turning The Tide event in Washington D.C. last September, where they blocked a full hour to debunk Dr. Judy Woodโs theories about the use of energy weapons on 9/11.
My Dad (who has now passed) spent hours looking through Dr. Judy Woodโs writings and theories, which he shared with me, and then had lengthy discussions.
A lot of those pictures from 9/11 from Dr. Judy Woodโs website very clearly resemble photos that were posted on the internet from the fires in Hawaii that destroyed the Lahaina neighborhood, and also fires from the Palisades in California.
**IF** energy weapons are being used to decimate whole neighborhoods as part of a hidden agenda, I would think they would want to discredit Dr. Judy Woodโs theories, to keep those weapons hidden.
Do we really know whatโs in orbit, though?
Just because they tell us thereโs only satellites, does not mean itโs true. Maybe there really are space lasers. Theyโre not going to come out and tell us anything.
CONTEXT MISSING on Judy Wood
Bird,
That is cool that you attended the 2025 Washington DC 9/11 Event!
Certainly, there is like-minded community at those type of events.
With Roger Waters (Pink Floyd) as a draw card, there may be a big turnout in 2026
2026 Turning the Tide 9/11 โ 25 Years Later
https://corbettreport.com/community-through-commerce-and-conference/#comment-188415
Starting in 2005, everyday, for years, I would scour the 9/11 news. Everyday. Hours daily. I even watched the NIST Building 7 event live.
So, I remember when Judy Wood came on the scene and all the related stuff surrounding her and the topic. I remember the interactions and characters.
This historical CONTEXT is MISSING for most people. The full historical context and timeline is not retrievable.
One of the many things which should be a red flag for the Judy Wood topic is the fact that CIA operative Morgan Reynolds was close buddies with Judy Wood and strongly promoting her work.
Larry uses an odd example of wiki pushing the establishment narrative(it’s obviouly fact that wiki is State-sponsored “truth”) at 14:15 of the video, by claiming that anyone defending mango mussolini will be automatically blocked. While this probably is the case for many topics, for others like covid, US Israeli Relations, the Iran Invasion, and firing up the printing presses, I have no doubt wiki and trump are birds of a feather.
Sadly, “Knowledge” is never Neutral
The more I investigated very specialized scientific topics, the more I noticed that many of the scientists were involved in group-think.
Often they based their ideas on certain interpretations of observations. And new observations were interpreted with those ideas. So hypothetical ideas are seen as facts. Creating a false reality. And creating false knowledge.
Sadly in academics, these false hypotheses are protected by the peer-review system. The system that should keep bullshit out of the academics. is actually keeping bullshit in the system. Like any system, people misuse it.
The bias is natural to humans. And this changes how we look at things. Or even how we describe the same thing. And people spending lots of years on the same subject are often unable to look at things neutrally. Which means that scientists and experts should all be considered biased sources.
Online discussions
I moderate a few forums, with lots of discussions. So I tried to make it work better.
A lot of bias is represented in logical fallacies.
So to enforce logical consistency, I tried to restrict logical fallacies.
But that is how most people communicate. Especially within controversial subjects.
Most people are also too lazy (or lack intelligence) to engage in logic based communications.
The best system seemed something like “deliberation” (MIT discussion forum).
But I discovered that people are using such systems to trap the discussion.
The discussions get stuck into irrelevant topics and unproven “facts”
to make it seem that only themselves are correct.
Internet discussions miss the basic concept of cooperation
that can lead towards mutual acceptable solutions.
“Skeptical” scientific community
Especially “skeptical” scientists are using logical fallacies to make their point.
They often repeat how stupid the other ideas must be.
They make up their own logic or facts. (Morally justifying it with their belief that the
other side is making up stuff)
Sadly this fallacy dominate almost all scientific discussions,
So much that people think that it is normal to insult or degrade other people.
Also many other logical fallacies are normalized.
I think this is the main factor that is holding back scientific progress.
Because it effectively forbids the exploration of other solutions to scientific problems.
Agencies,
Many people on internet have a paid job to manipulate public opinions.
Commercial agencies, military agencies, political agencies, all working
with military style manipulation methods.
This is everywhere, up to ghost-written peer-reviewed articles and
incidents that are setup to stir emotions.
Note that they are infiltrated among opposing target groups.
Disruption by agencies, activists and trolls and AI
I think that over 95% of the “discussions” on internet forums are caused by agencies,
activists and trolls. Only 5% people wanting to have any real discussions.
This number has been increased with AI to an extend that it is hard to have any discussion today.
Also many people use AI to communicate, to seem smarter than they are.
And trolls /activists use AI to make people waste time.
It gets worse with political hot topics.
And it is funny how a lot of the disruption (by agencies) is suddenly gone,
when a different topic becomes hot.
My own research is at http://thescienceanalyst.substack.com
I decided that it is better to write stuff down is clearly as I can,
than to “ask trolls and idiots how they think about stuff”.
And I already demonstrate how hard science subjects like
quantum physics and astronomy are completely broken.
Consensus is the opposite of Science. History has clearly demonstrated that.
Academic knowledge can not replace experience. Many academics even lack real-world experience.
Knowledge is never complete. Even with full knowledge one can not predict the future
Some ideas about voting and moderation
For an open forum moderation is very necessary due to AI spam and such.
I used a system that approves people for posting before accepting their posts.
That blocked a lot of spammers, AI and trolls.
For moderation I also thought of “librarians” that replace moderators.
Librarians are actively categorizing and rating posts. People can subscribe to librarians to
get their votes automatically.
This allows you to select and manage the voting bias that you prefer. Like selecting a newspaper.
Librarians will be organized in some groups and should explicitly state their background and bias.
(if they change bias or become highly political, their followers may unsubscribe).
For fun and testing there can be some AI bots that pretend to have certain obvious bias.
(Blackadder-bot, Shakespear-bot, Cesar-bot, Plato-bot, etc)
But I think bots should never replace human moderators and librarians.
Voting can be in different ways.
Quality of sources / and their evidence.
Quality of writing / images
How much you think the post is correct (agree /disagree)
Remarks to improve the article.
Links to related articles (also supporting and opposing articles)
For most people, this is far too much effort.
They may only want to press an emoticon to rate the article
(For example: heart, thumb up, frown, unhappy-face, question-face).
The more complex voting is where the “librarians” can replace most of this work.
I think that Categories and Keywords need voting so people can not spam
their post into many places to disturb the search engine.
I see this spamming on all forums.
For commercial success. Non competing and non intrusive advertising.
Allow advertisers to add their product solutions to certain articles.
Make it clear that it is advertising, which can be switched on and off.
That way advertisers will get people that actually look for their products.
“I see” says the blind man. Have you heard ? the one about the man who believes
“”Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.” Can science be used effectively by consensus? I see, there’s a story here about the key that was thrown away that would open the one lock that possessed the answer. That unlocks the enigma. I wouldn’t throw away Judy Woods intellect but like Sybil Edmonds I wouldn’t bet the farm on her helping out an old friend in something she’s not an expert in. If the gumption is there , find the key that fits the lock that opens the box. .
I’m glade I was thinking POSIWID as James said it. The office of intelligence gathering, Insurance is next to the venture capitol investment office. Trader. The best bet you can make is the bet that has a predetermined outcome. Now, I ask you what does Glass-Stegal have in common with Wikipedia?
I know it has something to do with omnibus.
Years ago I looked up “ayurveda” on Wikipedia, and the article said “This is part of a series on Pseudoscience”. That’s when I realised that Wikipedia was not the “open source” project I had believed it to be.
Developments in somatic psychotherapy are virtually ignored by Wikipedia. Dr Peter Levine, who developed Somatic Experiencing and has written numerous books on the subject, does not have a Wikipedia page. He gets a mention of 3 lines within the Somatic Experiencing article.
Other omissions are sensorimotor therapy, developed by Pat Ogden who has published two well-received books on the subject, and Trauma Release Exercises (TRE) developed by David Berceli.
It’s sad – it could be such a great platform. But rather than being a repository of information, it’s actually withholding and controlling information.
Most of my work can’t fit on any website.
I cure people with psychiatric depressions (and such), using telepathy and meditation.
Agencies would first want to know what world I am from.
How Wikipedia saved my Biology Buttโฆ
I remember a decade or two backโฆAs a reliable โsourceโ reference document, even High School teachers would denigrate Wikipedia and insist that students cite other sources.
In the years near and surrounding 2007, I was taking the same University classes as pre-med students (future doctors.) As an old guy, I went back to college to get my degree in the Environmental Sciences. The last time I had seen a college text on Biology was 1972.
I was overwhelmed by the thick university textbooks on Biology. I desperately would try to define terms by flipping to the index or glossary. The definitions of terms would contain other terms, and the definitions of those other terms would contain even more terms. I was doomed.
Compared to the knowledge of my classmates, I was an โuntouchableโ pariah.
Finally, I had a bright idea. I put the Alex Jones InfoWars show on โpauseโ and went to Wikipedia.
Wikipedia is very good about hypertext for words used in the topic.
EXAMPLE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_biology
Biological terms for the most part are not an agenda-ridden issue, unless you get into the weeds or climate change. In 2007, viruses existed.
With a large table behind me and the printer paper loaded, I was ready.
On the table, I had my Biology textbook opened to the assigned chapter. As I read the text, when I came across hazy concepts, I would spin the chair around and do the Wikipedia thing on the computer. Then, I would print the conceptual term or topic, and any related terms to the idea. I would stack my notes by concept, do the colored-highlighter-bit along with labeled side sticky notes for the stapled bundles of printed pages. It was an โofficeโ with file folders, paperclips, folder pouches, sticky notes, colored pens, highlighters, and no secretary to hound my housekeeping.
This worked out great! I could easily revisit and review the concepts in the assigned Biology chapter. Pretty soon, instead of a struggling student, I rose to the top 5% tier of my class.
This anecdote immediately rings a bell. Recently I watched a video of a fella dissecting the importance of keeping notes in a handy notebook. The most crucial aspect, according to him but also makes sense, is revisiting and revisiting and revisting the information. Refining it with every iteration.
He references one of the (classic) Indiana Jones movies, wherein Indie hauls this booklet around and keeps a bunch of notes, that he keeps revisiting as he internalizes the information.
Another movie I could reference in this regard: John Wick chapter 4, in which one of the characters, the tracker going under the name Mr. Nobody, keeps at his side a booklet full of results of investigations, observations and relevant world events.
IMPORTANT LESSONS on Learning…
mkey,
With the “revisiting” approach, you bring up an excellent aspect about learning!
On top of that and probably part of that “revisiting”, here you point out that by virtue of being an educator to others “you always, of course, teach yourself in the process.”
James Corbett has a real advantage on the learning process because he reviews and educates others.
The guy’s brain is packed with information.
A Conspiracy-Wiki brain. Don’t tell Elon.
It wasn’t easy to find it, youtube these days is like a hub for memory holing content.
Creativity isn’t a gift, it’s a system
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QVYfPnNOg4
Mkey,
To describe my evolution in State public school learning , you come very close to being half ways there with your claim. “Creativity isnโt a gift, itโs a system”
For me it certainly wasn’t a gift. It subjected me to all sorts of experiments and remedial learning experiments. The egghead’s from the head shed had their claim similar to yours. It read “Creativity isnโt a gift, itโs a symptom” Their only concern with me was turning that creativity off. Their hypocrisy was hard to deal with as a 5 year old , 10 year old and later as an undergrad. A handful of teaching professionals covertly encouraged the creativity which made it all the more worse.
I found the note book use handy on some judicial fronts later on in life. Judicial folk honor the notebook as sacred and helped affect a win because of its ability to freeze things in time, time of the facts as evidence.
So oh yeah, creativity is a symptom of something.
Insofar the schooling system is considered, creativity is a symptom of the schooling system failure.
James was a fact checker?????????!!!!!???!!!!!!!!????ยฟ??!!!!!??
James Corbett and Broc West star in this ‘Fact Check’
How to Talk to Someone Whoโs Spreading COVID-19 Misinformation
2:39 VIDEO
https://odysee.com/@corbettreport:0/misinformation:0
Co-founder of Wikipedia Larry Sanger interviewed on the Corbett Report
I think that this is kind of epic! A big deal!
The entire interview was interesting.
I think that both Larry and James put a nice cap on things towards the very end.
52:00
James Corbett says,
โโฆyou had committed the ultimate thought crime on Wikipedia, which is:
You respected the one type of diversity that Wikipedia editors hateโฆintellectual diversityโฆ
โฆ Let’s boil this down to brass tacks:
The Purpose Of a System Is What It Does (POSIWID), so regardless of whatever your intentions were in setting up Wikipediaโฆnow it is this type of systemโฆ
โฆit would be naive at this point to think that Wikipedia can be reformed from withinโฆ.โ
Larry Sanger replies,
โโฆI don’t think that Wikipedia can be reformed from within in the way that I was trying to do it. If I can’t do it, I’m not sure anyone couldโฆ.โ
I love the idea & human quality of Wikipedia – how it has the ability to accentuate the best of ourselves – hobbyists, tinkerers & obscure specialists industriously summarising the world as we know it. Obviously this is not how it seems to have played out. But I think a lot is still overlooked (that which is not visible, but still there – which in itself is an incredible feat!)
Wales … itโs you the Universe hails!
Holder of the key, authority
On this complex issue of penultimate complexity,
Which the massive collaboration of minds
Of most complex life has manifest,
Is stuck in 2-D!
A vast morphic taxonomy crafted & spun,
Intricately derived into states of conclusion,
Most accurate of any known history,
A feat of hivemind complexity,
And still not obvious – only the facade looms large,
A tall story for whatever master is in charge.
Still in its entirety it does exist –
In time, perspective, potential bias.
Even metadata is revealed,
Yet mostly still remains concealed.
A visualisation innovation could crack open this revelation!
Networks deep of agenda creep,
Controversially iterated peaks,
And vast oceans of obscure information write large.
SOS pls help with this endeavour,
To make it worthy of โDonโt Panicโ on the cover!
A remarkable poem, worth of Ai๐!
Thank you
Which way the wind blows.
A pattern may be detected…
Founder of The Weather Channel interviewed…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GRYGQBFVic&t=180s
Re the climate change / global warming saga, I believe a huge factor spooking people legitimately (I was there), are perceived freak weather events, from heat waves to flooding – apocalyptic in some respects. Then of course animals dying, bee / insect populations decimated. This is hugely concerning for genuine environmentally-minded people around, key to pushing forward “climate actionโ under the belief that “finally the government & big business are coordinated in addressing these issuesโ.
Now with 2020 hindsight & vision to see how the system actually works, Iโve seen how climate change / global warming is a big scandal. More research & insight has lead to a clearer explanation to how these freak weather events actually occur (weather mod). Recently also seeing the devastation being wrought in ancient forests, cleared & fragmented for wind farms. Itโs a tragedy.
If only those people sharing the same environmental fervour (with new additions now being indoctrinated into the โGreen Agendaโ) could come to understand whatโs really going on, they would be livid! (As well as regular people / farmers, that have lost their livelihoods to floods & fires) And if only that could spark a long overdue mutiny!
This also is a rabble rousing digression from the Wikipedia issue. I guess you will lead the mutiny.
The climate stuff has the typical plausible deniability features of so much of the propaganda. Are we allowed to see the Geoengineering that is probably a large factor? Although I hesitate to to speculate, this I will expectorate. The severity and damage caused by weather events would be affected by human geoengineers at certain ripe spots in time and space. In other words, it may be effective without being ridiculously energetically powerful. When the ripe conditions arise, they can be amplified. Kind of like knocking over a person already leaning or moving in the same direction.
hanky,
Thanks for posting that classic, golden 3 minute video.
Weather Channel Founder destroys CNN’s Brian Stelter on Global Warming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GRYGQBFVic
Ironically, that 2014 clip was taken from CNN’s “Reliable Sources“.
Reliable Sources was a Sunday morning talk show that aired on CNN from 1992 to 2022 and hosted by Brian Stelter.
Topping on the irony sandwich is imdb.com‘s description:
“Reliable Sources” is CNN’s weekly program that examines how journalists do their jobs and how the media affect the stories they cover.
I think that this is the 2014 CNN source 4:42 video
https://www.cnn.com/videos/weather/2014/11/02/rs-weather-channel-climate-change-feud.cnn
This could have been a Solutions Watch episode. I’m truly loving that people are taking the reins on their own. These types of alternate approaches may cause the groundswell that brings about real change. For instance, I loved the ‘Right To Repair’ video whereby the interviewee decided, “Okay, if they’re not going to stop this practice, I’m going to counter by making my own self-repairable tractors. One day…one day…this will all add up to something good.