Episode 307 – Meet Allen Dulles: Fascist Spymaster

by | Aug 30, 2015 | Podcasts | 23 comments

Diplomat, spy, Wall Street lawyer, philanderer, government overthrow specialist, Nazi collaborator, MKULTRA overlord, presidential assassin. This week on the Corbett Report podcast: meet Allen Dulles, fascist spymaster.

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CIA Covert Action in Iran, Vietnam, Laos, the Congo, Cuba, and Guatemala: Documentary Film (1965)

Allen Dulles: The Powerful, Moneyed World of International Finance & Politics (2002)

The Craft of Intelligence by Allen Dulles

The Shadows of Power by James Perloff

Overthrowing Governments 101, CIA Coups

Spies “Diplomacy – CIA Style”: Iran

U.S. and Them: Operation Ajax – Iran and the CIA coup (1/2)

Lessons of History – Coup of 1953

Spies “Diplomacy – CIA Style”: Guatemala

CIA and the Nazi’s Documentary

CIA Mind Control

America’s Secret War – MKULTRA Mind Control

Spies “Diplomacy – CIA Style”: Cuba

Allen Dulles, the Nazis, and the CIA

50 years of CIA history with top “Company” man Robert Crowley

Episode 049 – Paperclipped Nazis and Stay-behind Gladios

Operation Paperclip

Project Paperclip and the Space Race

Stephen Kinzer on the Dulles Brothers

President Kennedy Announcing the Appointment of John McCone as Director of CIA

President John F. Kennedy Presents the National Security Medal to Allen Dulles

JFK – The CIA, Vietnam, and the Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy

LBJ Asks Dulles To Serve On Warren Commission To Investigate JFK Assassination

Allen Dulles and the origins of the lone gunman theory

Allen Dulles: ‘I think this record ought to be destroyed.

Forgotten History of the Dulles Brothers


REPORTER: “Mr. Dulles I know you’ve heard this many times but there are people who say that we, with regard to the CIA, are waging a secret war with an invisible government.

ALLEN DULLES: We are obviously engaged in many facets of what is generally called the Cold War (in) which the Communist policies (were) forced upon us. No use denying that, it’s a fact of life.

But may I say this and I do it with all solemnity, at no time has the CIA engaged in any political activity or any intelligence activity that was not approved at the highest level.”

(Source: CIA Covert Action in Iran, Vietnam, Laos, the Congo, Cuba, and Guatemala: Documentary Film (1965) | Time reference: 0m13s)

JAMES CORBETT: “But what is the highest level of power? That might be the operative question.

Well, welcome to the program folks this is James Corbett of corbettreport.com, coming to you on August 30th, 2015, with episode 307 of The Corbett Report podcast – Meet Allen Dulles: Fascist Spymaster and the real question might be who was Allen Dulles? A diplomat, a lawyer, a spymaster, a serial philanderer? Well all of those things I think quite famously but many shadier things besides as we will start to explore in this edition of the podcast.

And yes, if we want to answer that question of who Allen Dulles was I think we have to go beyond just the titles and the roles that he played in the overt political sphere and look more at that higher level of power that he refers too and that he was under as Director of Central Intelligence. And I think we can see at least glimpse into what that higher level of power is, the real head of the secret government as it were, by looking at Dulles himself and his own biography where he perfectly represents the combination of Wall Street lawyer and American intelligence that formed the nucleus of the CIA, at least there in it’s early years. People these days talk about a group like Kroll being the kind of CIA of Wall Street. Well the CIA was the CIA for Wall Street long before then and Dulles represents that perfectly in his biography as we shall see.

But I think one good way of framing this whole idea and understanding who Dulles really was is to look even at the most mainstream of mainstream commentators on Dulles and his legacy in our current day and age. For example Stephen Kinzer, who recently wrote a book about the Dulles brothers and their effect on shaping American foreign policy and really the overt and covert foreign policy of the United States in the 1950’s when they reigned simultaneously as Allen Dulles, Director of Central Intelligence and John Foster Dulles, Secretary of State having a remarkable degree of power that they wielded very much for their own personal benefit and the benefit of their cronies, again as we shall see, but Stephen Kinzer again a very mainstream commentator, a former foreign correspondent for the New York Times and writer of mainstream biographies. He encapsulates this quite well when he says that ‘Allen Dulles was the ambassador of the secret government to the overt government. Which I think is a good way of putting it. I think that is one of the main roles that he played there in the 1950’s as the Director of Central Intelligence.

Then again we don’t want to rely too much on the mainstream commentators for the Allen Dulles biography or the real meaning of the Dulles legacy because…well they tend to say things like this.

PETER GROSE: “The notion of the CIA as a secret government or as a rogue elephant really is not born out by the histories that we can now see as documents are released. The political leadership, first, Harry Trumann and the Trumann administration where it all got started remember, then Eisenhower and his administration, Kennedy etc etc. The political leadership has always called the tune for what the agency (CIA) would do. If sometimes enthusiasts within the agency tried to get away with something, as they did, they were dealt with with relative promptness.

I think Allen Dulles has to be given the credit for establishing that tradition of responsible, relatively competent actions and mechanisms to carry out government policy.”

(Source: Allen Dulles: The Powerful, Moneyed World of International Finance & Politics (2002) | Time reference: 03m56s)

Yes, mainstream commentary indeed. Well I will put a link into the show notes to that video so you can watch the rest of that interview yourself if you so desire. I wouldn’t necessarily recommend it but I will say that I will put it as a little homework assignment for you guys out there to find out who that was and more specifically what he did between 1984 and 1993. The man in the clip, what did he do between 1984 and 1993 and how might that have affected or influenced what he says or doesn’t say in that clip and his writing generally. The first Corbett Report member to report back with who that man is and what he did between 1984 and 1993, the first Corbett Report member to leave that answer in the comments for this podcast at corbettreport.com will win a free Corbett Report DVD of their choosing.

Alright let’s move on. Obviously we can’t rely on the mainstream commentators to give us any sort of real insight into the Dulles brothers or Allen Dulles specifically so in order to find out more about Allen Dulles and what he was really up too we will have to roll up our sleeves metaphorically as the case may be and get to work ourselves. We’re going to start by looking at Allen Dulles’ own book, The Craft of Intelligence. Which, yes I have read for you so you don’t have to do it yourselves. It’s not particularly interesting or ground-breaking, it’s more a sort of overview of the craft of spying and the history of spying and what those damn Ruskies are doing and things like that. So it’s not all that insightful from that perspective but there are some little nuggets in here.

Well, why not get the story of the ass from the asses mouth as it were. We’re going to read from the introduction here from this book or the preface actually where Allen Dulles is writing about his early life:

“My interest in world affairs started early, in fact it goes back to my childhood days. I was brought up on the stories of my paternal grandfather’s voyage of 131 days in a sailing vessel from Boston to Madras, India where he was a missionary. He was almost shipwrecked on the way. In my youth I was often in Washington with my maternal grandparents. My grandfather, John W. Foster, had been Secretary of State in 1892 under President Harrison. After serving in the civil war he had become a General and had later been American Minister to Mexico, to Russia and then to Spain. My mother had spent much of her youth in the capitals of the these countries. My father had studied abroad. I grew up in the atmosphere of family debates on what was going on in the world. My earliest recollections are of the Spanish and Boer Wars.

In 1901 at the age of 8, I was an avid listener as my grandfather and his son-in-law, Robert Lansing, who was to become Secretary of State under President Woodrow Wilson, hotly discussed the merits of the British and Boer causes. I wrote out my own views, vigorous and misspelled, which were discovered by my elders and published as a little booklet. It became a best seller in the Washington area. I was for the underdog.

After graduating from college a few months before the outbreak of World War 1 in 1914, sharing the general ignorance about the dramatic events that lay ahead, I worked my way around the world. Teaching school in India and then China and traveling widely in the Far East. I returned to the United States in 1915 and year before our entry into the war I became a member of the Diplomatic Service.

During the next 10 years I served in a series of fascinating posts. First in Austria, Hungary where in 1916-1917 I saw the beginnings of the break up of the Habsburg Monarchy, then in Switzerland during the war days I gathered intelligence on what was going on behind the fighting front in Germany, Austria, Hungary and the Balkans. I was in fact an intelligence officer rather than a diplomat.

Assigned to the Paris Peace Conference in 1919 for the Versailles Treaty negotiations, I helped draw the frontiers of the new Czechoslovakia, worked on the problems created for the West by the Bolshevik revolution of 1917 and helped on the Peace Settlement in Central Europe. When the conference closed I was one of the those who opened our first post-war mission in Berlin in 1920 and after a tour of duty at Constantinople, I served 4 years a Chief of the Near East Division of the State Department.

By that time, 1926, although I had not exhausted my curiosity about the world, I had exhausted my exchequer and turned to the practice of the law with the New York law firm of which my brother was the senior partner. This practice was interrupted for periods of Government service in the late 20’s and early 30’s as legal adviser to our delegation at the League of Nations conferences on arms limitations. In connection with this work I met Hitler, Mussolini, Litvinov and the leaders of Britain and France.”

(Source: The Craft of Intelligence: America’s Legendary Spy Master on the Fundamentals of Intelligence Gathering for a Free World | Time reference: 07m10s)

Well that at least gives us some of the early background of Allen Dulles and let’s see what it is that we can glean from this. First of all he mentions that he was attending the 1919 Paris Peace Treaty/Versailles Treaty negotiations for the American delegation and specifically in his role as he puts it as a intelligence officer not a diplomat. The ‘diplomat’ being really the cover for the works that he was doing first in Austria/Hungary during the war and then in Paris as part of the ‘peace delegation’.

But attentive listeners and I’m sure Corbett Reporteers will already know that of course the 1919 Versailles Treaty negotiations saw a cadre of people giving birth to what was The Royal Institute of International Affairs and what was to become it’s sister organization in the United States, the Council on Forgein Relations and the question is: Was Allen Dulles tied in with that group and did he have relations with the Council of Foreign Relations? Well, you bet your life he did.

We can glean that from a completely different book. This is of course The Shadows of Power by our good friend James Perloff who we’ve interviewed a number of times here on the podcast, including specifically about this book and on page 104 he talks a little bit about Allen Dulles’ brother John Foster Dulles’ connections to the Council on Foreign Relations and also Allen Dulles’ own connections:

 “Winding up a Secretary of State was John Foster Dulles. Dulles had been one of Woodrow Wilson’s young proteges at the Paris Peace Conference. A founding member of the CFR, he had contributed articles to Foreign Affairs since it’s first issue. He was an in-law of the Rockefellers and Chairman of the Board of the Rockefeller Foundation. He was also Board Chairman of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace where his choice for President of that body had been Alger Hiss. A inveterate internationalist, he had been a delegate to the founding U.N. conference, also a member of Trumann’s State Department. He had none of the earmarks one would expect of a Republican.

Nevertheless, before the election, he began to parrot conservative slogan’s just as Eisenhower did. So great was the disparity between Dulles’ words and his personal reality that one of his biographies was entitled ‘The Actor’. For CIA Director Ike selected Allen Dulles, John Foster’s brother. He too had been at the Paris Peace Conference. He joined the CFR in 1926 and later became it’s President.”

(Source: The Shadows of Power by James Perloff – pg 104 | Time reference: 11m24s)

Alright (some) interesting little nuggets there. Thank you James Perloff. So let’s step back a moment, what do we have so far?

Elite political pedigree including a Uncle and a Grandfather both of whom were Secretaries of State and hob-knobbing in his youth via his family connections with people like Woodrow Wilson and Andrew Carnegie? Check.

Rockefeller in-law by way of his brother? Check.

Globalist CFR jet-setting stooge? Check.

Part of the invisible governments secret intelligence apparatus? Check.

Wall Street lawyer? Check.

This is an interesting start but what does this add up too your saying to yourself. So there was another insider crony-connected political elite person within part of the intelligence apparatus half a century ago or more at this point. So what, who cares, what does this have to do with us here today?

STEPHEN KINZER: “All of the oil in Iran, thanks to a corrupt deal that had been reached with a former Monarch, was 100% owned by one company and that company was British and owned mainly by the British government. What it meant was that Britain through the ownership of this one company controlled all of the discovery, all of the refining, all of the production and all of the sales of all the oil in Iran.

In the period after World War II there was a great popular sentiment in Iran, let’s nationalize our oil industry. Let’s take it back from this British company and the parliament passed a law to that effect unanimously and the elected leader, who was charged to carry out this law was Mohammad Mosaddegh. So Mosaddegh became the Prime Minister of Iran who leading the nationalistic campaign to take back control of the Iranian oil industry.

That got the British hugely upset. Through a long series of machinations they brought the Americans into the project and in the summer of 1953 the CIA sent an agent into Iran who in the space of just a few weeks threw the country in chaos and secured the overthrow of the democratically elected leader Mohammad Mosaddegh.”

(Source: Overthrowing Governments 101, CIA Coups | Time reference 13m25s)

MICHAEL CARROLL: “Guatemala, genuine banana republic, is dominated by a giant American company. United Fruit not only controls the fruit industry but also the railroads, the telephone systems and even the delivery of mail. Newly elected President Jacobo Árbenz promises agrarian reform and to break United Fruits’ monopoly. United Fruit appeals to Secretary of State John Foster Dulles, at one time the companies legal counsel. He agrees to help and rid Guatemala of a President he considers Communist. His brother CIA Director Allen Dulles, a United Fruits stock-holder and once a member of it’s Board of Directors, is given the go-ahead.

The CIA code-names its plan ‘Operation Success’. The coup will depend on a handful of soldiers, a small air force and the massive use of psychological warfare.”

(Source: Spies “Diplomacy – CIA Style”: Guatemala| Time reference: 14m50s)

NARRATOR: “September 1946. It’s been little more than a year since former Nazi General Reinhard Gehlen began working secretly for the United States. By now, former Nazi scientists and engineers have also been brought to the U.S. and put on the government payroll. It’s a top-secret operation run by the Joint Chiefs of Staff under the code-name ‘Paperclip’.”

(Source: CIA and the nazis documentary | Time reference: 15m52s)

NARRATOR: “In the wake of World War II, the U.S. government is engaged in a large number of secret medical experiments designed to help win the Cold War. Developing techniques for mind-control, to create a so-called ‘Manchurian Candidate’.

(Source: CIA Mind Control | Time reference: 16m20s)

ALAN W. SCHEFLIN: The Director of Central Intelligence in April of 1953, Allen Dulles, gave a talk in which he said the we were in a battle for control of men’s minds, that’s his term, and that we were losing the battle.

NARRATOR: Dulles wastes no time in signing a secret executive order creating ‘Project MK ULTRA’. The goal; to leave no stone unturned in the area of mind and behavior control.”

(Source: America’s Secret War – MKULTRA Mind Control | Time reference: 16m35s)

MICHAEL CARROLL: “Allen Dulles pinpoints Cuba for his most ambitious attempt to eliminating a foreign leader, Fidel Castro. Castro nationalizes American property in Cuba and offers to pay for it with nearly worthless Cuban bonds. The U.S. rejects his offer. Castro refuses to negotiate.

In Guatemala, the CIA trains a Cuban exile-force of 1,500 men. This tiny army, the 2506 Brigade, is expected to invade Cuba, hold the beach head for 72 hours and wait for a popular uprising against Castro. Success will depend on American air-support.

April 17th (1961) the invasion forces reaches it’s destination, the Bay of Pigs. The Cuban people do not rise up against Castro as expected. The Cuban army does not defect. Outnumbered and outgunned Brigade 2506 is doomed.”

(Source: Spies “Diplomacy – CIA Style”: Cuba | Time reference: 17m03s)

Yes I think we can see how this ‘ancient history’ has very real real-world relevance even to this very day as the effects of those operations continue to spill forth across the headlines and just as the 1919 Paris ‘Peace Conference’ literally drew and redrew the lines on the map over which wars are currently raging, so too did the Machiavellian machinations of Allen Dulles as Director of Central Intelligence in the 1950’s, leave scars on the earth which are still being felt and picked at even to this very day.

So, in order to even begin encompassing a career as expansive and infamous as Allen Dulles’ and we will only be able to scratch the surface of it today, let’s turn to an article from 2005 by Cory Panshin entitled ‘Allen Dulles, the Nazis, and the CIA’ where he notes:

“Dulles entered the diplomatic service after college and served as a State Department delegate to the Paris Peace Conference of 1919, which brought a formal end to World War I. The Versailles Treaty which came out of this conference included a provision making it illegal to sell arms to Germany. This displeased the powerful DuPont family, and they put pressure on the delegates to allow them to opt out. It was Allen Dulles who finally gave them the assurances they wanted that their transactions with Germany would be “winked at.”

Dulles remained a diplomat through the early 1920’s, spending part of that time in Berlin. However, he left government service in 1926 for the greener pastures of private business, becoming a Wall Street lawyer with the same firm as his older brother, John Foster Dulles.

He would become the lawyer for the Thyssens’ Rotterdam bank and would also represent other German firms, including I.G. Farben.

However, there was a serpent in this businessmen’s Eden, and its name was Adolph Hitler. August Thyssen’s son and successor, Fritz Thyssen, was an enthusiastic supporter of Hitler and had been funding the Nazi Party since 1923. Other German industrialists would do the same. It is hard to say to what extent the American investors shared Thyssen’s enthusiasm, though it seems likely that most of them were swayed less by ideology than by the prospect that Hitler would be good for business. Either way, the outcome was that many wealthy and powerful Americans wound up supporting a regime that would ultimately become their own nation’s enemy, and investing in the very firms that would provide the core of that regime’s military machine.

Early in 1933, both Dulles brother attended a meeting in Germany where German industrialists agreed to back Hitler’s bid for power in exchange for his pledge to break the German unions. A few months later, John Foster Dulles negotiated a deal with Hitler’s economics minister whereby all German trade with the United States would be coordinated through a syndicate headed by Averell Harriman’s cousin. With the Nazis enforcing a favorable climate for business, the profits for Thyssen and other companies soared, and the Union Banking Corporation increasingly became a Nazi money-laundering machine. In 1934, George Herbert Walker placed Prescott Bush on Union Bank’s board of directors, and Bush and Harriman also began to use the bank as the basis for a complex and deceptive system of holding companies.

The Hamburg-Amerika shipping line, which Harriman and Walker had controlled since 1920, had a particularly high degree of Nazi involvement in its operations. In 1934, a congressional investigation revealed it to have become a front for I.G. Farben’s spying, propaganda, and bribery on behalf of the German government. Rather than advising Walker and Harriman to divest themselves of these tainted assets, Prescott Bush hired Allen Dulles to help conceal them. From 1937 on, the Dulles brothers would serve Bush and Harriman in all their covert dealings with Nazi firms. They also performed similar cloaking services for others, like the Rockefellers.”

(Source: Allen Dulles, the Nazis, and the CIA | Time reference: 19m04s)



  1. HAHA! That was quick. Good work, AoC. Send me an email with your DVD choice and I’ll send it along in the mail.

    • What is the definition of fascism nowadays? Why qualify spymaster with fascist? According to George Orwell’s essays, «What is Fascism? »(1944) and « Politics and the English Language » (1948), the word, fascism, no longer means much except for signifying something undesirable. However, for Mussolini and his sympathisers in England, the word had great meaning, including a spiritual aspect.
      History is written by the victors, and no doubt they have bastardized the meaning of fascism.

    • Well I cant seem to directly reply to @alice88 so I’m making due.

      I have to believe that Corbett is using fascist in the sense of the merger between corporate power and state power, based on a quote attributed to Mussolini. There is however no currently known source for that quote.

      However fascism isn’t exclusive property of Mussolini. The term itself stems from the word fasces, a bundle of sticks with a protruding axe, which symbolized power and authority in ancient Rome. The symbolism goes back even farther.

      There is no consensus on what fascism really means, but I will piece together the best summation I have found. This comes from Martin A. Lee’s book, The Beast Reawakens, and I have added my own emphasis (bold).

      Mark my words, fascism is alive and well and having a major resurgence on the internet…

      Unfortunately, the blanket usage of the terms fascist and neofascist belies the diverse and sometimes conflicting tendencies that these labels encompass. Umberto Eco describes fascism as “a fuzzy totalitarianism, a collage of different philosophical and political ideas,” which “had no quintessence.” The word itself derives from fasces, a cluster of sticks with protruding axheads that symbolize the power and the glory of ancient Rome. In Latin, fasces is related to fascinum, “to fascinate or charm.”

      The abracadabra of fascism casts a spell over people by diverting economic and social resentments toward national and racial preoccupations. Proclaiming the need for a new spirit and a new man, fascist demagogues have extolled action for its own sake and romanticized violence as regenerative and therapeutic. Although many of their ideas are a by-product of the Enlightenment, they vehemently reject egalitarian social theories that formed the basis of the French Revolution of 1789. The “anti” dimensions of fascism are manifold and well known: antidemocratic, anti-Marxist, anticapitalist, antimaterialist, anticosmopolitan, antibourgeois, antiliberal, antifemenist, and so on.

      But fascism was always more than just a negative crusade. Its eclectic style incorporated elements of competing ideologies that fascist rhetoric ostensibly repudiated. Herein lay the essential paradox of fascism: its ability to embody social and political opposites, to be at once elitist and populist, traditionalist and avant-garde. (“I am a reactionary and a revolutionary,” Mussolini boasted.) Within the fascist milieu, there has always been a nostalgia for preindustrial societies and an attraction to advanced technology, a pathos for uncontrolled brutality and a fetish for obedience and order.

    • In reply to BuddhaForce

      I can’t believe there are shills commenting here with their incantations and boogymen threats. Well, they infiltrate everywhere don’t they. So you have to make a living. So maybe you have mouths to feed; your children will end up hating you anyway. You’ll be sure to end up like Allen Dulles loveless and rolling in your own shit and piss in hell. Oh I take that back, you’ll be rolling in your own shit and piss in the wheel of suffering.

      • @lordjugganath

        Ahh the shill defense…the first bastion of someone with no argument. I’m not sure who you are directing it at but if its towards me, I will take it as a compliment 🙂

  2. The above is correct! JUST another one of the puppet masters.

  3. Thanks from here. Great work, indeed!

  4. Well, one tip that I can leave here, is that: by far, the best (serious and reliable) source for the kind of in-depth analysis/studies of what goes on behind the stage of Western politics (like this video is an example of) that I have found, after more than a decade of searching the Internet for good sources, is the LaRouche movement and its publications – like the archived copies of the decades-old Executive Intelligence Review (EIR).

    I have found on their Internet archives very good and interesting information, that I can’t find anywhere else. And, it has been through reading old issues of the EIR that I have been able to confirm several suspicions I had, concerning who killed President X or Y.

    I can leave here one good example of what I’m talking about, with the link to an article that also mentions some Nazi connections to Allen Dulles:


    And, you can search through the archives of the EIR publication just by using, on a search engine, the term “site:larouchepub.com”.

  5. Thank you James for revealing what a whitewash the Kinzer book was. When I read it, I was utterly appalled by 3 of the main points you, too, spoke on.

    1) Kinzer’s psychobabble analysis that the Dulles brothers were just a reflection of America’s psyche, a mere mirror of what Americans wanted in the 50s. Is this not a cousin of the POV that television is only delivering to americans the drek they themselves actually want.

    2) Kinser’s outrageous conceit that, poor Allen, after JFK fired him from the CIA, he was reduced to padding around his Georgetown townhouse quasi losing it. Excuse me? He had a line a block long of CIA minions visiting him to get their marching orders, including his masterminding of the JFK assassination and cover-up. Did Kinzer even write more than 3 sentences about Allen’s role in the Warrent Report?

    3) Kinzer’s loony suggestion that we should trot out that Diego Rivera painting and give it a place of honor because — whatever your views on the Dulles brothers were — weren’t they something, gosh darn it! Have we ever had a pair of brothers in American history quite like those two unique, powerful, illustrious figures? Uh, yeah, can anyone say “Jack” and “Bobby”?

    Thanks,James. Great program. Yep, still such a timely showcase of shadow government arch villainy.

    Loved the wife story! Has strong similarities with James Jesus Angleton’s ignoble demise. (See Mary’s Mosaic by Peter Janney).

    • Some people just love the spectacle of successful power to the point that they’ll twist everything into a paean to it. Many of those people go on to write Establishment biographies and win awards.

  6. Thanks for letting me know about your problem, but the lo res version is working fine for me. Have you tried downloading the file to your hard drive and playing from there?

  7. I wish his wife had the sense to have the blanket framed. I’d hang that shit on my wall.

  8. The terms nazism and fascism have been coopted by Dulles’ Project Mockingbird and Hollywood. They’ve associated all negative images and narratives to these two words so that the mere prefacing of any noun with fascist or nazi evoke feelings of disdain. Actually, nazi is a confusing word. It was a derogatory term originally used by the opponents of National Socialism, Hitler’s party.
    Hitler and members of his party never called themselves Nazis. They always called themselves National Socialists. In speeches delivered from 1921 to 1941, not once did Hitler use the term Nazi.
    Likewise, not once does the word appear in his final political testimony.

    When people want to bash others, they resort to fascism and nazism. These words have become so negatively charged without having any real meaning. The irony in this podcast is that even though people are in consensus that Dulles was a horrible man, they can’t extricate themselves from Dulles’ legacy—Project Mockingbird’s disinfo and MK-ULTRA’s brainwashing. How can one believe anything this man said or wrote? Did he really meet Hitler and Mussolini and collaborated with the Nazis?

    For a long time, I thought wicked fascists and nazis such as Mengele and Bormann had escaped from Germany and were doing terrible things in the world, but now I know that it’s really Dulles and his gang who are the wicked ones doing heinous things. They created fascists and nazis as the precursors of today’s boogeymen terrorists. Dulles’ gang continue working their evil deeds, blaming them on fascism and nazism.

    When JFK was a student, he visited Hitler’s Germany three times: in 1937, in the summer of 1939 while researching his senior thesis on the Munich Agreement of 1938, and in 1945. He concluded in his 1937 diary, “Fascism? The right thing for Germany.” and “The Germans are really too good – therefore people have ganged up on them to protect themselves.” In 1945, after visiting Obersalzberg, he wrote, “Anyone who has visited these places, can easily imagine how in a few years, Hitler will emerge from the hate that now surrounds him and come to be regarded as one of the most significant figures to have ever lived.” In Kennedy’s mind, Allen Dulles cannot be fascist. In Mussolini’s mind, Dulles who was a Knight of Malta cannot be fascist, because Mussolini had outlawed freemasonry and closed all their lodges.

    People often quote George Santayana: “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” Unfortunately, since the advent of Dulles’ projects, people can no longer remember the past because they never really knew it to begin with.

    In this interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puInFvUem7c, Mr. Wise, the director of the documentary Adolf Hitler The Greatest Story Never Told (http://tgsnt.tv), says that if you watch it and you don’t get it, then there is no hope for you. I hope you watch it James and I hope you get it.

  9. It´s seldom, that I´m felling disgusted, but listening to Steve Kinzer at the very end of this podcast, when he alters his tone in a sarcastic ways and builds up his punch line for cheap laughs, while describing the picture of Diego Rivera, was such a moment.
    What a perfect example for framing the narrative!
    What a perfect specimen of a spin-doctor at work!

    As a modest propose to the discussion above: We don´t have to force ourselves into the position of cheering for Hitler, only because he was anti-west. Before WWII was the Spanish Civil War (1936-1939), another forgotten war. It was basically anarchism vs. fascism. The western governments stood aside, but favoring the fascists, knowing that fascism is more compatible with their oligarchical version of democracy. If we have to take sides, (which is not necessary, in my view), why don´t we choose the anarchist side, again?

    James, what about making a “Spanish Civil War” podcast in the future?

    • A podcast on the Spanish Civil War is a good idea. I’ve been wanting to research to better understand that war myself.

      Hitler wasn’t anti-west; he was anti-communism. I have a feeling from my study of Bolshevism that chaos (I think that’s what you mean by anarchism) was contrived to bring about communism. When I was last in Spain less than a decade ago, I got the impression that there was much support for Franco. Hitler supported Franco.

      I was looking into books about Spanish Civil War and came upon the book below on Amazon. On that site, I thought Publicus made an interesting comment about the outcome of WWII.

      Hitler And Spain: The Nazi Role in the Spanish Civil War, 1936-1939
      Publicus wrote:
      The Marxists wanted to carry the torch of the Communist Revolution into the heart of Europe. Hitler recognized world Communism, with its base in the Soviet Union, as an existential threat to Western Civilization, and he dedicated himself and Germany to a death struggle against it.

      Germany’s, Italy’s, & Japan’s alliance was called the Anti-Comintern Pact. Hitler hoped Britain would likewise pledge to help stop the rapidly advancing Soviet bear. The Comintern was the tool the Soviets used to subvert governments & spark Communist revolutions in other countries (like the Spanish Civil War).

      On November 8, 1917, Vladimir Lenin addressed the Smolny Institute in Petrograd & encouraged his comrades to incite revolutions in all Western democracies. Lenin’s initial focus was on Germany, Hungary, and Italy. But early on, Lenin declared that Britain was the Soviets’ principal enemy. So, when you consider that Germany & Japan (the Soviets’ principal military threats at the time) were crushed in WW2 & Britain lost her Empire, you have to conclude that the War proved to be a stroke of genius & an enormous strategic victory for the Soviets.

  10. I really loved this. I also recommend two books of fiction by Robert Littell – “The Company” and “The Revolutionist.” Taken with a grain of salt, these books are an entertaining way to learn about Angleton, the OSS/CIA and the Russian revolution.

  11. I’m sure most will already be familiar with this book, but I thought I’d add it here just in case.

    Its first edition was published just a couple of months after James did this great piece on Dulles in 2015.

    It’s called ‘The Devil’s Chessboard – Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America’s Secret Government’.

    It’s a massive book that covers pretty much everything that James talked about in his expose and then some.

    Can I recommend it?
    Well yes, but with this one caveat. It is an extremely difficult book to read!
    The author, David Talbot, has a most convoluted style of writing, where he will take a sentence, twist and turn it, extend it, twist and turn it some more and finally just leave you totally exhausted and confused.

  12. Hi James.
    The video is unavailable, because youtube 🙂
    Can you upload the video for this article, if you happen to have it still 🙂

    • Thanks for letting me know about the problem, manushak. Unfortunately there are now several hundred such broken video embeds scattered throughout the site. I am fixing them as I come across them (as I have just fixed this one), but in the meantime, you can always use two methods to try to find the video file.

      1) You can type the episode title (in this case, “Meet Allen Dulles: Fascist Spymaster”) into the search bar on the sidebar to find the video post of the podcast.

      2) You can find all of the old YouTube videos on my Odysee channel:


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