Interview 1353 – Dr. William Pepper on the Assassination of Martin Luther King

by | Apr 6, 2018 | Interviews | 40 comments

An interview with Dr. William F. Pepper, Esq., on his four decade long investigation into the assassination of the Martin Luther King, Jr., and his third book on the subject, The Plot to Kill King: The Truth Behind the Assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. This interview was conducted by Dan Dicks of on March 10, 2018, in New York.

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Final Farewell for William Pepper: Funeral and Burial

Truth At Last: The Assassination of Martin Luther King

The Plot to Kill King: The Truth Behind the Assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr.

Memphis Jury Sees Conspiracy in Martin Luther King’s Killing (1999 civil trial)

Interview 1353 – Dr. William Pepper on the Assassination of Martin Luther King


  1. That whole spitting thing bothers me. That slurping sound is what authority really sounds like. JimBob who don’t have any problems with real authority figures; just those that tell him they are his authority figures without giving me no good reason to care what they think. I always like hearing from Dr. Pepper, good people don’t stand by when evil tries to steal their neighbor’s grill. And he’s good people.

    • I don’t agree with his opinion that it is corporate that is the problem. It is the state which creates the opportunities that insist on a corrupt corporate environment. A corporation is merely a word. The state made it nasty. I think he still believes that the republic just needs fixing. I say let it rot. But that’s just me. JimBob

      • I think that the state, corporations and NGO’s are all part of the same problem. My perspective is that it’s really all about money and power.

        Corporate lobbyists and NGO’s ride the backs of selected state representatives to keep them toeing the corporate/banker/Zionist/pro-war line – which the representatives, in large part, obviously do. It’s almost like it’s one big cancerous multi-faceted entity that basically runs the whole show. Not a lot of actual separation to be had there.

        • “Hierarchy” (the origin of the founding principle in the sacred and the “priest”) was “religion.” “Religion” and a priesthood of some kind, were inseparable from “respect” and “right to rule.”

          john.o responded, “My own belief is that this is all baked fairly deeply into the human being, and when humans get frightened they will almost always reach for structures like these.”

          Around 2013/14, I began the eye-watering work of peeling my own philosophical/religious onion. One of my most profound realizations was the power of fear, and why there are so many serious warnings against succumbing to its power liberally peppered throughout the scriptures. Can you imagine all that the world has been deprived of simply because of fear? Just pick any social topic, and see how it’s been undermined by fear’s insidious nature.

          On a different note and the real intent of my input here (only I didn’t want to come empty-handed), I’ve been wondering where you’ve been this last month, John.O! From numerous daily insights to a noticeable dearth. I hope you’re okay and that all is well for you and yours.

      • Unfortunately, I think you have it backwards, although the state created by leaders of industry and commerce have worked hand-in-glove.
        I am the top in my field in the world, and there is no recognition. Indeed, they do not discuss me, nominate me for awards, there is no thank you to the huge sums they make from my work, and I am Independent.
        Where did the black-balling start? When I was under their employ, I refused to sit silently and allow people to spread lies and misinformation about anything I had gone to the trouble to figure out on my own. I was known for my opinions on 9/11 and assassinations.
        They tried and failed to get me out of the industry with a lie that unfortunately did not produce grounds to get rid of me.
        There is collusion in my industry and now I can’t even find another business who will handle mine, regardless of the fact that I am surely the top producer anywhere. And I think by far.
        No, do not fool yourself, the leaders of industry form policies and circle their wagons like so many fast food chains on a highway exit. But all you ever find there are businesses owned by the same chains, the same owners, who do everything they can to eliminate other options.
        This is the corporate world we live in.

        • When you want to be the top player in the game, you gotta play by the rules they provide. Government is a choke point which breeds corruption by crafting laws which provide the “legitimacy” by which only the ugly can abide. In short, don’t hate the player, hate the game. And that’s why, when all the world leaders play their 3D chess, I stick to checkers. Gets them every time! JimBob

        • WAYNED’s pen flowed with this paragraph prose…

          No, do not fool yourself, the leaders of industry form policies and circle their wagons like so many fast food chains on a highway exit. But all you ever find there are businesses owned by the same chains, the same owners, who do everything they can to eliminate other options.

    • golden interview. This only strenghten my belives regarding the lies and deset we live in.. that corperate powers has taken over and controlling every important facit in goverment and do as it pleases.. – ANY MEANS NESSESAERY thought it was “by and for the people ,, Unless, ofc”

      Thanks for the interview and to all you True heroes of our time..

  2. I want to ask this because I don’t know where else to ask.

    But is there anyone credible that is covering the Parkland shooting? It seems like both sides are generally full of crap.

    • I generally disregard these incidents, but do admit that the little puke who thinks he is some kind of spiritual and emotional leader comes off as absolutely contrived and coached. I just get the impression that we are MEANT to find these people offensive, at the same time we are condemned for not accepting their guidance on gun control.

      There should be a real discussion about the threats posed by the State itself, and the very need for the populace to remain armed.

      Not to mention, my sister was held up at knife point, and did not have her gun with her. She was robbed and almost raped, until someone came along down the street, scattering the almost surely illegally-in-this-country gang of Mexican men.

      I was all for gun control as a dream… wouldn’t it be nice if there were no guns? But there are. And who has them matters.

  3. in the first place, yesterday’s documentary was important. Really one of the most important pieces of journalism in the last century. What an honor it is to be given this important information, so clearly, with no attempt to either embellish or deny the emotional power of this information. A journalist who does not let himself get in the way.
    For most it’s a learned skill. For people who care genuinely, it is natural.
    I think it’s got to be one of the best documentaries I’ve seen.
    Not surprisingly, many of Corbett’s documentaries count in that list.
    Tremendous respect shown for the subject and the viewers and the participants, all painting the very clear picture that this is a subject that will not go away, and fits into the overall aspect of a “government” not of US.

    Just superb, again. A truly MUST-watch, and this is the first time I have ever written “must watch”.

    And finally, I hope the best forever for Mr Pepper. He is what we need.

    • Yes, Dr. Pepper is a person worthy of our respect and gratitude for his dogged determination that truth and justice should, if not prevail, at least be given notice. A great case for a person of his knowledge, skill, and intelligence.

      Still, I wonder if anyone counted the times he used the words “killed”, “killer” and “killing” incorrectly, instead of “shot”, “shooter” and “shooting”, since it was he who manifested the story about the “killing” part that occurred AFTER the shooting, AND at a different location. It emphasizes the many years Pepper believed that King had died at the Lorraine.

      This pair of videos (see James’ other release) IMHO is a very fitting tribute to a man who was easy to admire and follow — in life and death — by those who treasure freedom. If one quarter of us worked as hard as people like King and Pepper did and as James Corbett does, working towards freedom from the many forms of oppression on our planet, it is clear to me that we would all be free very soon.

      • TampaDave,
        Your last sentence holds significance.
        I’m guessing that wonderful results could be produced with even a much, much lower percentage of us actively participating on the mission of bettering conditions.

        • But results would be quicker the more people get involved.

  4. I read The Plot to Kill King. Especially gripping was the account of Glenda Grabow.

    “Such a victim, unknowingly used
    A leaf in the wind was she,
    Used and hurt, terribly abused
    By a racist she could not foresee”

  5. The Dan Dicks interview with William F. Pepper is historic.
    I really appreciate James Corbett for making this happen.

    This is a truly important Legacy.

    …Steel you spines!
    Inspire your children!
    The when the moment is right….
    – William F Pepper

    (90 seconds)

  6. In the Dan Dicks interview, The Washington Post is mentioned.

    I posted the following link under Corbett’s documentary. I am wondering if this is the Washington Post interview Pepper was referring to…

    Washington Post – March 30
    Who killed Martin Luther King Jr.? His family believes James Earl Ray was framed.

  7. Yes, it is a rich tapestry of a puppet show, but don’t worry; the puppet masters are a bit special-edish, if you ask me. I don’t agree though that any new revelations of any long gone event is going to change anything. There’s no real emotional impact to a generation twice removed from events. Revenge really is better when it’s had time to age a bit, but justice goes bad pretty quick.

    • I think he said people might get worked up; but I don’t think so. Revenge you say? The Redneck is strong in this one!” JimBob who absolutely approves of blood feuds.

      • Don’t forget to shoot Judas with a shotgun while he’s burning! Never went to Crete, but If they’re like the mainlanders they’ll probably adopt you! JimBob who enjoyed Greece while he was there at Thermopylae.

        • I’m a little confused. I never learned what language it was in, and so the word “daimen” being used as demon was a bit of a shock. Outside of English, I only have a hideous ability to mangle Spanish. However, I do like to read the translator’s stories which preface their works. I can’t help but notice that “daimen” by George Long, whose Greek and Latin translations into English of Marcus’ Meditations meant spirit. Even other translators acknowledge his skill, so I am a bit skeptical. Oh wait, it’s the New York Times; totally believe it all now. JimBob whose Dad taught him how to read a newspaper when he was just seven years old. As mostly fiction, since he would often tell me what really did happen in that story.

  8. To paraphrase Talbot: JFK (read MLK, RFK) is the telltale heart beating under the floorboards of our culture.

  9. William F. Pepper is in this video clip from ABC News
    (3 1/2 minutes)
    Published on May 28, 2018
    Robert F. Kennedy Jr. told The Washington Post he walked away from a prison meeting with Sirhan Sirhan not believing he killed his father.

  10. 2024 – APRIL

    Date of birth?… …Probably a typo… I think that 1937 must be correct

    William Francis Pepper (August 16, 1937 – April 7, 2024) – Wikipedia
    Pepper died of pneumonia in New York City on April 7, 2024, at the age of 86.[18]
    #18 – Risen, Clay (April 19, 2024). “William F. Pepper, 86, Dies; Claimed the Government Killed Dr. King”. The New York Times. Retrieved April 19, 2024.

    William Pepper
    Currently this webpage says:
    Dr. William F. Pepper – ( Aug 16th 1939 – April 7th 2024 )

    But this webpage says:
    William F. Pepper (Aug16th 1937 – April 7th 2024)

    April 7 was a Sunday. Monday, April 8 2024 was the Solar Eclipse. …and we all know about the News Cycle on that event. Everyone had attention on the Solar Eclipse.

  11. You had to be alive at that time to understand the psychological effect of the murders and events of 1968 and the amazing significance to the group mind and all that was going on then. A time of exploration of consciousness and alternative behavior and knowledge beyond the offering of the controller’s influence.

    I was living in Berkeley which at that time had been the real hub of West Coast social/political activism with the free speech movement, psychoactive drug use, great original music, etc. experiencing the police going to war on the citizens, and more that was also happening in countries world wide giving our generation a wake up call to the bigger life picture.

    All of this happening at the start of the television age, playing out on TV screens across the country, bringing the reality home in a way that had never been possible before.

    The false flag USS Pueblo incident (The Door’s Jim Morrison’s dad was the captain) and later the late Dave McGowan’s revelations about how many of the “Rock Stars” families were associated with military intelligence and mind control.
    IMO, the true start also of the propagandizing of citizens turning honest 1st A activism into something bad.

    The Tet offensive. The South Vietnam My Lai massacre where US military slaughtered over 500 Vietnamese civilians. True student activism began, not about someone’s pronouns or gender choice but real concern over the behavior of our government.

    Thousands of antiwar activist were in Chicago for the Democratic National Convention. My neighbor, a SF Chronicle reporter and I watched it on his B&W TV when Mayor Richard Daley’s goons attacked them and we were silent for a long while, both of us understanding the evil that was unfolding in our nation, and no words to convey the angst of it all.

    The irony of 1968 being the best and worst year of my life holds true to today. You had to be there. And now, 2024 may be even worse when it comes to our freedom to have an honest election (selection) of our government.


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  12. John Doyle on Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement

    He is some kind of uber catholic, but what he says is not actually WRONG. The myth of people like Kennedy and King is a good way to blind people to the harmful things they actually did and stood for.

    • Don’t forget the Mrs. In Atlanta, we had to watch her backdoor it w/ some little bitty dude for 30yrs so she could still play the grieving widow.

      Particularly funny was at her funeral when former prez JimmaCahta reminded us how the Gov spied on her husband. A big reason why it became known to the general public that he was such a skank & degenerate.

      Meanwhile, there’s guys like Mr. Pepper. I remember how he got together w/ the King children. It was very emotional for me. Still is. What a great guy not to give up on finding the truth! The case of Sirhan? I felt so bad for his mama. Finally, Mr. Pepper got thru. We owe him a great debt to just keep trying.

      Thanks for the link!

  13. One time moderator at 911blogger was Reprehensor.
    Reprehensor’s YouTube Channel has been scrubbed. His channel had footage of the 1999 trial.

    Posted by Reprehensor on Fri, 03/07/2008 – 12:56pm
    Video Exclusive: Dr. William F. Pepper Opens the MLK Conspiracy Trial – November 16, 1999
    Over the past few weeks I have had the privilege to review footage of this trial, which is a groundbreaking trial, and should be a famous trial due to the implications of the verdict. With Dr. Pepper’s permission, I will be loading three key segments from the trial onto the web, for people to see how Dr. Pepper goes about his business. The first segment, (already loaded), is the opening statement, which sets the tone for the plaintiff’s case.

    I will follow this with the testimony of William Schaap, the editor of Covert Action Quarterly, who gives a scholary review of the US Government’s use of the media to disseminate mis- and dis- information through its intelligence agencies.

    I will conclude with Pepper’s closing argument, which summarizes the case. A condensed version of the closer will be broadcast on Maria Gilardin’s TUC Radio program, and will be distributed on a number of Pacifica satellites, in a couple of weeks.

    World Video Premiere: The Truth about the Assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr.

    You have to play around with the Wayback Machine to locate viable videos.
    William F. Pepper Opens MLK Jr. Conspiracy Trial – Pt.1 of 2 VIDEO

    Example of “side” videos

    Reprehensor YouTube Channel (Archived)

    TRANSCRIPT (King family website)

  14. CLARIFYING the Courtroom Footage at the 37:45 minute mark of the Interview with Pepper
    QUEUED Video

    This footage clip is NOT from the 1999 trial. That trial had Judge James E. Swearengen of Shelby County Circuit Court.
    REFERENCE: NY TIMES Dec 10, 1999 –

    The 37:45 mark footage shows the famous day-time TV Judge Joe Brown, but during his handling of the actual James Earl Ray case.
    Likely, that footage is from 11 July 1997.
    Associated Press Archive – 2:27 minutes – Ballistics
    Judge Joe Brown, Tennessee Criminal Court says:
    “A comparison was conducted from the bullet material removed from Dr. King with the 12 test bullets that could be adequately analysed. The comparison revealed that the gross and unique characteristics signature left on the 12 test bullets by the James Earl Ray rifle was not present on the death bullet.”
    [See video’s show notes for more details.]

    Earlier – 21 February 1997 – William Pepper, Judge Joe Brown, Dexter Scott King
    Associated Press Archived News video – 1:56
    From shownotes:
    The confessed killer of Martin Luther King Jr. – James Earl Ray may get a new trial, after a judge decided that new technology could determine if Ray’s rifle fired the shot that killed the civil rights activist in 1968.
    That decision means Ray’s bid for a new trial and acquittal have been kept alive, but Brown’s finding must be reviewed by a State Appeals Court before he can rule on allowing new tests on the rifle and the death slug.
    Following the legal ruling opening up the possibility of a new trial for James Earl Ray, his lawyer held a press conference.
    Ray – the confessed killer of Martin Luther King – has had his hopes of a new trial revived after Judge Joe Brown decided that new technology could decide if Ray’s rifle actually fired the shot that killed Martin Luther King Jr.
    Judge Brown’s decision must be reviewed by the same state appeals court that rejected Ray’s request for tests on the rifle in 1994.
    Brown must await the review before deciding whether to allow new tests on the hunting rifle and the bullet that killed King in 1968.

    Judge in King Case Removed The New York Times
    Published: March 8, 1998
    Judge Joe Brown was set to give James Earl Ray a new trial, but “The Powers That Be” took him off the case. (1998)

  15. Thanks for the heads up on the book and gofund me James.

  16. Here is a shout out to brave men (and women) and pioneers that refused to fold nor conform when the imperialistic thugs of statism attempted to force them into line (including both Dr. William Pepper and Martin Luther King).

    𝐑𝐮𝐭𝐨- 𝐄𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐚𝐥 𝐒𝐨𝐮𝐥

    MLK didn’t just call out the idiots that had an obsession with melanin content in come human being’s skin, he called out the bankster imperialists, the military industrial complex and the corrupt aspects of statism. For that, he has my eternal respect.


    “I would like to live… longevity has it’s place, but I am not concerned about that now.. I just want to do God’s will.”


    I feel that he succeeded in that intended goal (which was quoted in part of the audio clip sampled in the song linked above).

    Long live the spirit of the peaceful rebels, the truth tellers and those that provide a voice for unifying our human family, healing our fractured species and choosing a more honorable, courageous and peaceful path forward.

  17. — 2024 — April’s STORY — Part 1 of 4
    The cover-up and suppression of this story cannot be denied, because likely you have never heard about this story.

    Surprisingly, a mainstream newspaper published “April’s STORY”. The story was originally submitted on Sunday April 21, 2024. However, the paper published the article on Monday May 13th, and thus, being May, the Editors took liberty to take out parts of the title and story.

    Monday May 13, 2024 – The Dallas Express
    Opinion: Steel your spines! Inspire your children!

    Originally, it was supposed to read

    April’s STORY: MLK and William Pepper – “Steel your spines! Inspire your children!”
    By Tom Nolan

    April 2024 – There is much more to this month than April showers or the Solar Eclipse. This month we lost a great man among great men lost in April.

    Dr. William F. Pepper, Esq. died the day before the Solar Eclipse on April 7, 2024 at the age of 86. We also lost the Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr. on April 4, 1968. The two were very good friends with common ideals. That friendship extended in more ways than most Americans know. The alleged assassin of MLK, Jr., James Earl Ray, died of liver disease in prison on April 23, 1998. This is a STORY that not only deserves to be told, it is a story that is crucial to the fabric of this nation and the world. It is April’s STORY.

    The cover-up and suppression of this story cannot be denied, because likely you have never heard about this story. Most of society, the media, public officials, and public events ignore this story.

    You will be the one who will have to research, determine and judge the facts of the story.
    Don’t let me or some “authority” tell you what to believe.
    Mankind’s humanity rests in the faith that there are those who have matured enough to draw their own conclusions, with the integrity that it entails.
    Unfortunately, most Americans will not honestly and thoroughly research for themselves, but only parrot officialdom.

    My role is to provide you with some resources and tidbits about April’s STORY which you probably do not know.

    Begin your journey on April’s STORY by watching this 51 minute Corbett Report documentary, with transcript and linked sources: “Truth At Last: The Assassination of Martin Luther King”

  18. — 2024 — April’s STORY — Part 2 of 4

    Some of the things that you will hear about regarding the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. are: military snipers on rooftops were involved, an undercover agent within King’s close entourage, mafia involvement, and even the involvement of the head of the FBI.

    On March 30, 2018, The Washington Post had an article by Tom Jackman
    “In the five decades since Martin Luther King Jr. was shot dead by an assassin at age 39, his children have worked tirelessly to preserve his legacy, sometimes with sharply different views on how best to do that. But they are unanimous on one key point: James Earl Ray did not kill Martin Luther King…
    … Until her own death in 2006, Coretta Scott King, who endured the FBI’s campaign to discredit her husband, was open in her belief that a conspiracy led to the assassination. Her family filed a civil suit in 1999 to force more information into the public eye, and a Memphis jury ruled that the local, state and federal governments were liable for King’s death. The full transcript of the trial remains posted on the King Center’s website.”

    In the following FLASHBACK Memorial interview, William F Pepper mentions the Washington Post and also a Dallas phone number.
    FLASHBACK on April 20, 2024 – In 2018, James Corbett of The Corbett Report arranged an interview with Dr. William F. Pepper, Esq., on his four decade long investigation into the assassination of the Martin Luther King, Jr., and his third book on the subject, The Plot to Kill King: The Truth Behind the Assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr.

    William F Pepper, a personal friend of MLK, was also the King’s family attorney in that 1999 Memphis trial.
    “In December, 1999, the half-white half-black jury in a month-long civil trial in Memphis, Tennessee, after hearing almost 70 substantive witnesses, took merely an hour to conclude that Dr. King was executed as the result of a conspiracy involving the Memphis police, the mafia, and elements of the FBI, CIA, and U.S. military.”

  19. — 2024 — April’s STORY — Part 3 of 4

    As we all know, Google manipulates people with search results and also will delete YouTube content. At one time, YouTube videos existed of the entire 1999 Memphis trial. All have since been scrubbed.
    Take a peek at an Archived Video of William F. Pepper’s Opening Statements at the trial.

    During the 1999 trial, “a first rate investigative reporter as well as a Memphis television reporter and cameraman” by the name of Wendell Stacy was one of the few who covered the trial, and as a result was fired.

    The New York Times reported on the final verdict of the trial on December 9 and December 10, 1999.

    Many people remember the famous day-time TV Judge Joe Brown.
    Knowing that James Earl Ray had failing health and may soon die, the King family began pushing for a new trial. In this 2 minute Associated Press video of February 21, 1997, you will see William Pepper, Judge Joe Brown of the criminal court, and Dexter Scott King, the son of MLK, Jr. At issue is the ballistics of the rifle.

    On July 11, 1997, a short Associated Press video shows Judge Joe Brown, James Earl Ray and ballistic tests.
    Judge Brown states, “A comparison was conducted from the bullet material removed from Dr. King with the 12 test bullets that could be adequately analyzed. The comparison revealed that the gross and unique characteristics signature left on the 12 test bullets by the James Earl Ray rifle was not present on the death bullet.”

    As evidence became stronger, “The Powers That Be” took Judge Joe Brown off the case. On March 8, 1998 the New York Times tells its version. James Earl Ray died the next month on April 23, 1998.

  20. — 2024 — April’s STORY — Part 4 of 4

    Bill Pepper led a very colorful and dynamic life.
    In fitting conclusion to April’s STORY, we have the words of Dr. William F. Pepper, Esq.,

    “It is you who are the torch bearers with respect to that truth and you have to continue to bear that torch.
    And to try to get it into the mainstream.
    And not be discouraged when you don’t.
    And not be discouraged when you get discredited, when you get attacked and when you are ignored. Because that is the nature always of prophecy and prophets in their own time.”

    “I ask you not to mourn the passing of democracy and liberty in this country.
    Don’t mourn it, because mourning takes energy. It’s negative.
    Don’t mourn the passing of democracy.
    Organize to restore it wherever it’s possible for you to do so.”

    “Steel your spines!
    Inspire your children!
    And then when the moment is right, rise again as though from the ashes and rebuild this great land.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~
    Anchor Text LINKS

    “Truth At Last: The Assassination of Martin Luther King”

    The Washington Post

    transcript FAMILY TRIAL TRANSCRIPT.pdf

    FLASHBACK Memorial interview

    The Plot to Kill King: The Truth Behind the Assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr.

    1999 Memphis trial

    Archived Video

    Wendell Stacy

    December 9

    December 10



    New York Times


    • Thank you for the post remembering Bill Pepper upon his passing. One cannot help but admire and respect such a man of integrity.

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