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James Corbett and Hunter Maats join Ricky Varandas on The Ripple Effect to continue their previous conversation of the problems of the current system of schooling and the solutions to that system. Along the way, they debate licensing, statism, the FDA and other topics. (WARNING TO SENSITIVE EARS: four-letter words throughout this conversation)
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Interview 1375 – The Problem With Schooling on The Ripple Effect
Talk about a loaded podcast. Bless Ricky Verandas for even trying, but I don’t see this going beyond the audience’s settling in to gorge on popcorn and cheer on their team.
But the entire time I was watching this, the following words of a major catalyst in my awakening (beginning with the philosophical framework that is Protestantism) kept ringing in my ears:
The Gospel According to John Immel, chapter 3:1-3
1. All people act logically from their assumptions.
2. It does not matter how inconsistent the ideas or insane the rationale. They will act until that logic is fulfilled.
3. Therefore, when you see masses of people taking the same destructive actions, if you find the assumptions, you will find the cause.
We should all be learning how to reason within multiple points of view to arrive at reasoned judgment.
Thus:
Questioning ourselves and others is key.
We should not go to school to learn how to make a living, but to learn how to live.
What makes us exceptional as a species,as far as we know, is that humans have the ability to reason.
But how many people can define reasoning, or critical thinking, the other term used?
Few can, for they are taught what to think and not how to think.
And one can learn how to think critically. We are not born critical thinkers, we must become critical thinkers and thus the role of a teacher is not to teach, in the traditional sense, but how to organize opportunities for others to learn to think critically.
Thus, the role of anorexic bulimic learning and the ‘teacher’ must be replaced by midwives, who help people learn how to think, not what to think. Help them give birth to learning.
https://cpdev1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/vol-16-no-22.pdf
Scroll down the Counterpunch article, sited in the comment above, and sited again below, and find the debate we should be having, as to education.
Though lively, this was not an eyeopener for educational issues.
https://cpdev1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/vol-16-no-22.pdf
Insightful comment, Weilunion, and I appreciate the link to the newsletter.
Teaching ourselves to think critically, questioning ourselves and others, and learn how to live. Great points!
The term “critical thinking” is tossed around so carelessly, that it means little. No doubt Maats believes his superior critical thinking saved him from succumbing to “conspiracy theorists”. So, yeah, being a home schooling mom of three (two in college, remaining one having two years to go) I’d really like to get this right.
You have an astute observation here Pearl. The assumption is prussian system and Milner, Carnegie and Rockefeller. We are hearing that conversation here trying to choose a new School Board member. Assumptions came up only once and like a skunk in the room everyone had the same assumption. When every one stinks there is no stinking going on if there is no knowledge of other older systems that worked well before CFR did away with them.
“Assumptions came up only once and like a skunk in the room everyone had the same assumption.”
Infuriating. Given the steady flow of that Prussian model Monday through Friday, reinforced by Luther/Calvin via Sunday sermons and church socials, it’s no wonder.
Hunter is AGAINST indoctrination and FOR critical thinking, yet he demonstrates that he has been indoctrinated by statist mythology. He also demonstrates that he hasn’t properly applied his critical thinking skills to that, and other extremely important topics such as global warming. I can sympathize though, because not long ago I was in a very similiar boat.
People form their views off of information they think they know, even if it’s misinformation. This drives home the point of thinking critically instead of appealing to authority. We can’t just listen to and accept everything that someone with a microphone says, whether that be Hunter or James Corbett. We have to somehow vet the information we are consuming. Most people don’t have time to do this, though. I think it comes down to a combination of vetting as much info as we can, but also doing enough research to know who the good mechanics (podcasters) are that know what they are talking about and can be trusted to be reliable.
I like Hunter’s detest for the current ‘education’ system.
That’s pretty much it though.
The guy just isn’t very bright or very open minded.
Ironically, he’s a great deal like the typical graduate of our current ‘education’ system.
University-degree-induced Dunning–Kruger.
I agree. He seemed to be saying there is no right or wrong, just good arguments…
We are being schooled by “science” and “experts”
Here I fully agree with James, when he states that we should
be able to choose who or what we trust.
If there are conflicts we can talk about it, and still
respect each other’s choices. That is what the talkers do,
but did not talk about.
I have often conflicts with scientists, because I am logical
and want science to be based on observations and experiments.
Yes, this is in conflict with mainstream science!
Astronomy the worst “exact” science ever
As a good example of why you should not trust “experts”
in the field.
Astronomy is really, really bad, and a good example for this.
The theories are often based on old observations, that were
later revised. That means the observations, not the actual
theories.
That is because “experts” always stick to the same old theories,
unless they can absolutely not go on with it. And that never happens
as we can never put a star in a laboratory.
It is often similar to a religion, especially if they worked
with the theories for a long time.
In the model of the SUN, our nearest star, I can scientifically proof
that there are 8 HUGE errors already. All false theories are
based on observations that were later revised.
Small list here:
1 FAIL: Magnetic Reconnection REALITY: Bad Physics
2 FAIL: Magnetohydrodynamics. REALITY: There are electric fields in plasma
3 FAIL: Only Zeeman effect. REALITY: much is Stark effect.
4 FAIL: Gaseous plasma Sun REALITY: Sun has condensed matter (fluid/solid)
5 FAIL: Sun has no surface REALITY: The sun has a surface (fluid)
6 FAIL: Sun breaks basic laws of thermodynamics REALITY: Sun temperature is very different
7 FAIL: Sun’s corona has very low pressure REALITY: Pressure is much higher
8 FAIL: No chemistry REALITY: Sun shows chemical reactions
Source http://www.reddit.com/r/plasmacosmology/wiki
(section: The Sun)
So every time you hear someone talk about black holes, dark matter or even the beginning of the universe, remember that these scientists are already completely wrong about our nearest star.
Astronomy is mostly science fiction indeed.
Other sciences
And then we have sciences like archeology where we can
talk a lot about lost civilizations that had some kind
of advanced engineering, which we have not replicated yet.
Or talk about biology, where the simplest organisms can
make intelligent decisions, like the slime-mold.
See: http://www.reddit.com/r/paradigmchange for these
and other science-breaking observations.
Update on Artificial intelligence
I stated before that AI is not going to replace humans anytime.
That is because computers can not solve the stopping problem.
Other people (AI-specialists) now also came to a similar conclusion:
http://nautil.us/issue/40/learning/is-artificial-intelligence-permanently-inscrutable
Always nice to find another person who understands how absolutely absurd it is that the public is expected to believe as fact (or near fact) these absurdly weak theories about objects light years away, coming from astronomers & astrophysicists who can’t even figure our own solar systems without a constant stream blunders and quiet retractions.
Freefall of science
Forgot to mention that mainstream science does not even
acknowledge the overwhelming evidence for demolition of the
3 towers with thermite.
This is clear from the 10 characteristics of demolition:
https://i.imgur.com/4UsoYHH.jpg
Besides that there is much more evidence. This is just the top
of the iceberg.
Corruption
By accepting an institution, we also accept the corruption of that institution. And this goes in every way.
Political,
Theological,
Historical,
Systematical,
Institutional,
Commercial,
Environmental,
Logical.
The logical song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufHQS3xbjkk
zyxzevn says:
“Freefall of science
Forgot to mention that mainstream science does not even
acknowledge the overwhelming evidence for demolition of the
3 towers with thermite.
This is clear from the 10 characteristics of demolition:”
Just a teaser zyxzevn, but prepare yourself to be very surprised on this “overwhelming evidence” in the coming weeks. I’m working on a piece I promised.
Generalbottlewasher says ” Im a thoroughly modern general knowledgeable of animal, vegetable and mineral!” thank you zyxzevn
I couldn’t help but to be dumb-struck about the statements concerning the FDA and other ‘protective’ government agencies.
Yeah…we need the CDC to let African Americans spread syphilis, and then destroy their health with bogus pharmaceuticals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sswitl8_-w4
Fortunately, the head of the CDC (Gerberdine) got a job at Merck making millions.
Yes, my kind of protective government agincies. We must protect these corporations who have only the health and welfare of citizens at heart.
Yeah…I am glad that the head of the EPA (see Corbett Report on Christine Todd Whitman) helped to kill and disease many of these damn Yankee New Yorkers after 9/11.
And the EPA suppresses their own scientist researchers about Fluoride causing cancer…how else can we keep the cancer industry prospering?
I am so glad that the EPA was in bed with Monsanto, because Monsanto needs to be protected. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcWzRf2OEjI&feature=youtu.be&t=48m17s
And I am so glad the FDA burned the Stevia Cookbooks in the Dallas area during the 1990’s. Those cookbooks should be illegal.
The solution for a better America is more government agencies.
Well, I’d care to disagree with you on the matter of efficiency of government agencies.
There’s a total of some 180 (the best figure I could find dating back to 2012, this is all very hush hush) agencies in my failed state with almost 10% of population employed in various government held positions, drawing their paychecks directly from the state budget. Result of all that fine stately work is that these European countries (like Check, Slovakia, Romania even Hungary) which a few decades ago were leagues behind us are now cruising along well past us.
Funny: Why government matters.
https://imgur.com/gallery/1UjgkNL
Funny
“Expert” checks your health.
https://i.imgur.com/7FjdygA.jpg
Bump
Excellent comment, FIW. You expressed so very well what I struggle to put into words myself.
Since it was me you quoted, I feel prompted to clarify myself, or rather expand my point. In both podcasts, I found Hunter Maats polarizing. Early on in each episode, he unnecessarily casts the first stone by ever so gently demeaning not only Corbett, but at least half his audience, preventing the host’s intent for the podcast, which I believe was to be an insightful dialogue on education, its pitfalls, and ideas toward solutions. Fortunately for us, Maats brought with him his assumptions (revealed by his contrasting himself with “conspiracy theorists”). The conversation about the problem of education was unable to move an inch. The tension was palpable. Sure, it was entertaining, and once again ”my team” (James) clearly showed himself to be more focused, less condescending, and just a better communicator. But I came away wondering why the host saw any benefit in pursuing a third episode, as if only more time was needed to work toward any kind of solution toward education. How on earth? Hunter Maats is insulting while attempting to sell us something, and he lost me on day one. No big deal, but the third title ought to reflect the real mood to anyone new to these discussions: Hunter Maats’ problem with us stubborn individuals. I’ll be there with my popcorn, because it’s fun, insightful, and wholly satisfying to see James, together with the commenters here, illumine this rude dude’s fallacies.
Yes! Hulk Hogan, the showman!
This interview holds the first place in facepalm moments out of all the videos done by James which I have seen. Well, maybe it’s second only to the Newsbud quadruple fact checking response video.
I usually like the ripple effect podcast, but Hunter is soooo hard to process. But what can you do, he’s people and disliking someone just because you don’t agree with 90% of everything he lays out isn’t very PC, is it?
I wonder if he does really consider himself to be a critical thinker, what with all the tropes he keeps flinging around: conspiracy theorists, global warming (ahem, Hunter you may have not gotten the memo, but “global warming” didn’t quite fit the bill because it was completely out of sync with reality so they rebranded it to “climate change” which is at least factually correct as far as the naming scheme is considered since climate changes constantly, no way to spin that), rule of the minority, government agencies, government monopoly on violence… did I miss any?
You made some excellent points there and maybe I’m misreading/misunderstanding you, but how do you propose fragmentation of society would go around the rule of the majority issue? I’m presuming we’re on the same page here in saying that rule of the majority is not the central problem, but the rule of the uninformed majority. But even on the local level you’d need to have the support of the majority for your ideas to pass.
I’m pretty sure the uninformed majority on the “global” level would transition nicely to the local level, albeit you’d have a better chance to influence some people on the local level and thus affect the majority than you’d have on “global” level.
Yes, but which idea is the “right” one? If 60 out of 100 have the same idea, that may make it “right” with higher probability but by no means is it be to considered “not right” (i.e. incorrect) because it’s in conflict what the rest of the 100 think about it. It could be argued that often times doing the right thing is not very prudent at all.
Otherwise I agree with your points, the systems in place are completely contrary to natural order, suffocation progress and disincentivizing people from doing pretty much anything when it comes to improving their living conditions. Their occupation therapies and exploitation of some natural reflexes, like laziness, help us along in doing nothing.
Amazing finds, ManBearPig.
Maats says, “…When you create social drama, you grab people’s attention. People rush in to find out what it’s all about. And that’s when you can teach them. The problem is that if you’re always creating drama you become boring and predictable and so you have to switch up the story. You have to switch roles and show yourself to be good-natured. You make fun of yourself. That switches the story again.”
Or, you could just be genuine and if the message or product is sound, it’ll sell itself by word of mouth. A shame for him, because I was *this* close to checking out his book, but then…
It was so nice to read your encouraging response this morning. Rushing to and fro, I’m finally back home and able to thank you properly. I’ve got two home school fledglings starting college this week. Naturally, it’s an exciting time for all of us, and I’m really hoping they’ll encounter a teacher like you along their way.
Speaking of sophistry, you reminded me of Jeff DeRiso (who was a contributor at Newsbud for about 5 minutes…gee, I wonder why?) who has a video series on that very thing. At the time, I was interested to delve into that, but allowed myself to get distracted by other things. So, being a ninja-in-training and for the purpose of sharpening my own critical thinking, I think my energies would be better spent with him. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KhJ11hWUZtQ
Lastly, you wrapped up your intriguing thoughts with “There’s more but it’s taking form in my mind at the moment…” Don’t keep us hanging too long! 🙂
Amazing! Criss-cross! I just responded over on the lemming thread!
Having a weakness for desserts and the power of suggestion, I’m experiencing a sudden craving for Pineapple cream samoussa, and I’ve never even heard of it.
Tough one to finish, but I did it anyways cause its better to listen to views you disagree with a be intellectually honest. Maats…. wow. Its like he knows better and still refuses to see the truth of things. When I was still asleep it was genuinely because I was ignorant of how evil the government and how ruthless its history was. Once I gained that knowledge I could no longer see the world the same again. This guy though… I just know for myself I will aim higher than “less rapey”. What a low bar.
danmanultra says:
Tough one to finish, but I did it anyways….
You are a better man than I.
After awhile, I stopped listening.
LoL! It’s crazy that there are people out there who still think that monopoly of force is a good thing…
Denis Rancourt – The Agenda With Steve Paikin
April 15, 2009
(Queued video):
https://youtu.be/I0HZDN6xXZ8?t=1401
This physics professor explains how the current, mainstream education system produces graduates who are not critical thinkers and who are trained to obey authority. This is not a bug, but a feature of the education system. Train children to be compliant, non-critical thinkers, who are obedient to authority.
The news guys was kind of like a wet bag of mashed potatoes in the end. “Well, yeah, why don’t you just provide us with updates on your issue”. That’s not his issue, buddy. This is all over the place, the elephant in the room people are too stupid to see for what it is.