Interview 985 – Finance and Liberty: Globalization Chimerican Style

by | Dec 20, 2014 | Interviews | 22 comments

Today James joins Elijah Johnson of to talk about how the American and Chinese oligarchies are working together to further extend the ideology of globalization. Issues discussed include the powers behind the throne, the globalist ideology, the end of the nation state, examples of American-Chinese cooperation, the importance of the internet and the coming internet crackdown, and much more.


China and the US: Frenemies with Benefits

China and the New World Order

Rockefeller Memoirs: guilty of working against nation states

Brzezinski quote on the nation state

Yale Group Spurs Mao’s Emergence

Bush’s China Policy: Skull and Bones

Starr Foundation and Hank Greenberg $50 Million Gift to Advance Yale’s China Collaborations

Citic, Once Courting Rockefeller, to Go Global in Hong Kong

It’s official: America is now No. 2

Stakes are high as US plays the oil card against Iran and Russia

China Winning in OPEC Price War as Hoarding Accelerates

Yuan Has Real Shot at IMF Blessing on Reserve Status

7th China-US Internet Industry Forum opens in Washington

Lu Wei: The Internet Must Have Brakes

Severe penalties for defamatory retweets in China

Public Pledge of Self-Regulation and Professional Ethics for China Internet Industry

Joe Lieberman U.S. needs Internet kill switch like China


  1. Holy SHIT!
    James, could you talk more about who these sponsors are?

    • Regarding your talk about sponsorship in your reply to candideschmyles below, I still don’t really know what you’re referring to. Finance and Liberty do not “sponsor” me in any way, shape or form, and I receive no money whatsoever from them. They are an internet-based program that has me on from time to time as a guest, much like Financial Survival or any of the other podcasts I appear on. There is no sponsorship at all.

      • James, please accept my apologies and pardon my ignorance!
        The truth is that I have never heard of Finance and Liberty, but I am here to learn, although I may be way over my head at the same time. For example, I have listened to your Federal Reserve presentation at least 4 times and still do not fully understand it all entirely…yet!
        I hope that the adage “Confusion is the beginning of learning” is really true, since I am confused, yet remain extremely curious.
        I have devoted at least 2 hours per day for the past 3 years trying to understand some of this global economics/politics , and I have noticed that you DO remind your guest to “walk us through” some of these concepts, but I wonder if for the average person that is enough? It is all very contrary to what little we were taught.

        Do you recommend some course of study to prep for your podcasts? Please let me and many like myself know, WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND!

        Again, I am very sorry for my stupid question since it was based on erroneous assumptions.

        • No need for apologies, rockshot, I just want to make it absolutely clear that my website has no sponsors or affiliations with any companies of any kind.

          I really don’t know what to recommend on global economics/politics in general, but if you have any specific questions I’m sure myself or the community can help you out.

  2. James, you’re near Osaka aren’t you? Sage Francis, who you probably know from the song makeshift patriot and 9/11 Synchronicity episode 3, is coming through Osaka for a concert on Dec 28th and Tokyo on Dec 29th. I highly recommend the show because he is his music, it’s intelligent and from the soul. But also, and more importantly, you should really try to get an interview with him. He does interviews with pretty much anybody who contacts him.
    He has ended every show on this tour by going out into the crowd and hugging everybody that wanted one.
    show and ticket info.

    • Thank you for the heads up, maxwell. Unfortunately I’m about an hour away from Osaka and am going to be busy with my family on the 28th/29th, but if there are any members out there that can make it I’d love to hear about the concert.

      • Thanks for the reply James. Hope you have a great holiday with the fam.

        much love from kentucky

  3. You know, that makes me realize that in all of this time I’ve never done a podcast on Kissinger specifically. Thanks for the idea, candideschmyles, I’m going to put it on my to do list.

    • James, I completely agree with Candid…above, AND yourself.
      One thing that I DID learn is to ask, “WHO is this”, and “WHY are they telling me this?”. So those are my questions to you.
      Any business, political venture or Hollywood career’s success hinges on avoiding mention of “certain” subjects and sucking up to “the right people”. We all know that.
      So what does Finance and Liberty hope to gain by sponsoring you? It seems to be a huge detriment to them to do so. Further, do you even need a sponsor? Although their support could not HARM you, but only help.
      As candideschmyles mentions, I would love to learn more about this cast of characters!!! Kissinger must be well into his 70’s and has long been out of office, yet he and others continue to remain extremely active in this game. What motivates him and these others?
      Like candid…, I too have only found some fluff pieces on them all.

    • Brandon Smith has written on Kissinger and the role of both Russia and China on the grand chessboard:

      The New World Order And The Rise Of The East

      “As I have outlined in numerous articles, including Russia Is Dominated By Global Banks, Too and False East/West Paradigm Hides The Rise Of Global Currency, when one looks beyond all the theatrical rhetoric being thrown around between Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin, the ultimate reality is that the relationship of both governments to the global banking elite is the same.”

      See also:

      The Rockefeller Plan for the BRICS New World Order, in their own words… (Update 1 – Putin and Kissinger’s friendship
      Why the globalists might replace Putin (Update 1 – The man who would take his place)

    • tillerman,

      Interesting stuff on the 2nd link you posted.

      Reminded me of Pat Buchanan’s thesis that the future is a global balkanization driven by national, tribal, and religious loyalties. The Rockefeller book claims that this is just a part of the disintegration of independent states and then reintegration of the smaller pieces into an interdependent framework that they control.

  4. Yes, agreed: Hitchens’ path from atheist polemicist to war propagandist is worthy of further scrutiny, especially because it is a tradition that continues with Sam Harris. But that’s a topic for another podcast altogether. Not to derail this conversation from the subject of this interview specifically, but if you do remember the name of that book from the 80s that you read please do leave it here.

  5. Even though I knew most of what you talked about in this episode.
    I still just wanted to comment since I just became a member.

    I think it’s encouraging that I’m not the only lonely individual, which are very frustrated with the way the main stream media presents content and itself today. (Not to mention politics, law, society, civilization and everything else also !!)

    I think your site is a treasure in itself just because of the absolute stunning amount of references you make available with each issue treated, discussed and analyzed.

    Anyway … Keep up the good work.
    I’ll probably have more constructive input in the future – at least I’m hoping to be able to contribute more constructively 🙂

    Best regards
    Mikael from CPH, DK
    (A country unfortunately on a steep slope downhill at present.
    Compared to the impressive highs 30-40 years ago regarding realizing a welfare society).

  6. James, your description of the relationship between the Western and Chinese power elites reminds me of European feudalism, as a set of warring families who nonetheless had interlocking financial, property, and class interests to defend from any challenge to the system itself.

    • An apt analogy, especially as the current form of bankster-led globalization is often referred to as neo-feudalism. Does this historical parallel present possible solutions for us moving forward?

  7. I have been thinking long on the questions raised here. It is my belief that the transfer of industrial and manufacturing might to Chinese corporations by western counter parts was to lower the costs of production costs for western corps and their profits driven by the new neo liberal economic drivers. R and D transfer by the west is also one of lowering costs. A Chinese engineer works for considerably less than his western alumni. What made the difference this time is that branch plants of western corps were not set up but that separate Chinese entities were. While certainly this is a symbiotic relationship to a great degree the power now lies with the Chinese as the transfer of technologies is mostly complete. The transfer of military technologies in the Clinton regime primarily is the only troubling fly in my theories ointment; why?

    The western elites thought that domination of the world’s financial sector with military backup was all that mattered in achieving world domination. The many business deals and other cooperation between the Chinese and Western elites may be more an extending of a hand as a relief valve by the Chinese elites to Western elites to avoid violent reaction as the new multi polar paradigm emerges. Whatever the strategies and tactics being employed their number and usage is multi faceted in what must be the most complicated geo politiocal struggle between humanities elites ever witnessed. The behind the scenes communications between elites may be to ensure their power struggles are decided by the over whelming position of one position over another hopefully minimizing the resort to what could lead to a nuclear holocaust and the end of everything including the elites rule and a comparatively pristine planet for them to own and wander about on.

    Great topic to think on. Is there already a one world bank finalizing the end game?

    • My guess is the Western elites got in on the action early in China, “bought low”, so to speak. They made a deal with the new Chinese elite: in exchange for rapid development of your country via capital and technology transfer, we will own a substantial portion of the pie. The question in my mind is how exactly they’re enforcing this deal.

  8. The liberty/anarchy community so often frames things in revolutionary terms. But a peasant revolution didn’t overturn feudalism. It was a change in economic conditions, in the way wealth was generated. Trade, manufacture, and investment became relatively more important than rent. Probably something to do with network effects of trade and compounding return on investment. Why this happened is a historical question, but the violent revolutions overturning feudal regimes came after this economic foundation had already changed, as a symptom or consequence.

    So for today, the obvious parallel is the internet and its economic effects. You are an example of how people can nowadays make a living without depending on centralized corporations, pensions, government protections, a state-approved media, etc. I would pose the following questions to further elucidate this analogy:

    1. How can the internet undermine the economic basis of state control?

    2. What can we do to amplify or accelerate these effects (with tools, technology, specific actions)?

    3. How can we induce new technologies or paradigms that would preemptively undermine state reactions to the internet, or even the fundamental basis of the state itself?

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