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There are people out there trying to get you to swallow the black pill. They say you are weak, powerless and pathetic and that your only power is to select which oligarchs will rule over you. Today, James Corbett and friends deliver the white pill truth: that you are powerful, that you are important and that you can take actions that will change the world for the better. Don’t miss this important, star-studded edition of #SolutionsWatch on how to ditch the whole black/blue/white/red pill paradigm and achieve positive change in the real world.
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GUESTS
Ryan Cristian: TheLastAmericanVagabond.com
Jason Bassler: TheFreeThoughtProject.com
Sam Tripoli: SamTripoli.com including his new special, “Why is Everybody Gettin Quiet?”
Patrick Wood: Technocracy.news and www.LocalActivist.org
Naomi Wolf: DailyClout.io and NaomiWolf.substack.com
SHOW NOTES
What Happened to the Anti-Establishment? – Questions For Corbett
Podcast – Sam Tripoli – Psyops & Spirituality: Why Questioning Authority is Never A Blackpill
Why is Everybody Gettin Quiet? at SamTripoli.com
I don’t know, with Trump a hard core Zionist stooge in the White House, and Zionists controlling every aspect of American lives, if you can be “black-pilled”, or for those who don’t like to use facile idea that reduce complex ideas down to pill colors, you can’t be too pessimistic.
Adding insult to injuring, the POS Trump who speaks of Gaza like a “real estate site” opportunity, is nominated for the Nobel “Peace” Prize. https://www.dw.com/en/gaza-donald-trump-real-estate-trump-organization/a-71564349
Ah yes, the Nobel Peace Prize with such honoraries as Henry Kissinger and Benachem Begin, who infamously said “We are behind all of the terrorism in all of the world”, but I am sure that was just bombastic.
They (“They” refers to the Zionist Globalists, for the hard of thinking) are making out Trump to be the “peace maker” in-line with their prophetic BS that will also make him the man that brings down the West, our modern day King Cyrus…They have such control they can orchestrate the ends of wars, the end of DEI and the Of course, for anyone paying attention, Covid SHOULD have demonstrated this control, but just as hope spring eternal, so does willful ignorance.
https://odysee.com/@KnowMoreNews:1/fix-is-in:a
Now, let the ad hominem fallacies rain down, rarely a cogent constructive retort does one find here. If they don’t agree with you, they must reduce you, never actually challenge your facts or premises, that takes courage and conviction for that.
Just to put a finer point on the KnowMoreNews link above, the guest is Jeremy Roche-Kushel, who is very good at putting current events into their proper context. I know the world is a stage run by the Zionist bankers, but some people need the truth spoon fed to them. This is why they win, people would rather cling to obvious lies, than to the extremely uncomfortable truth.
“…..Now, let the ad hominem fallacies rain do…..”
Ok.
People who spend all their time whining about how the world is in the grip of an unstoppable power are slaves, their ancestors were slaves and peasants shucking the corn of their masters and whining about those masters.
The masters just do their own thing, the slave complains.
“…. I know the world is a stage run by the Zionist banker….”
They don’t rule the world by themselves.
“….people would rather cling to obvious lies, than to the extremely uncomfortable truth….”
Yes, the lie that you can’t do anything is very comforting for many people
As Luke smith says “pessimism is literally for losers” – if you are cowardly and lazy it feels good to throw your hands up and wail about how you can’t ever fix anything “cause they’ll Waco you” or “they just gonna take it away”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JQIcUBd-5fk
I don’t go as far as suggesting that everyone is powerfull and sovereign ( your comments demonstrate that some people are not) but anyone can do SOMETHING to improve their life and the lives of their kids.
If you’ll excuse me now I need to go listen to Sam Tripoli, though I find his voice rather grating.
I have stopped even reading your posts, maybe you should stop reading mine, but I know you simply can’t help yourself. So, write away, you are not worth the read.
I bet you are.
😉
I hope you cheer up soon
Ah, gate keepers, I get it…Well, I suppose, I would do the same in your situation.
Good luck. May your chickens be immune to Hellfire and sidewinder missiles.
Rex Leo num
Chickens ARE immune to sidewinders….. they don’t fly high enough to use air to air munitions on and do not generate enough heat to get a lock in.
Considering the price of Hellfires I am confident that the powers that be will definitely run out of them before the people run out of chickens…. lol, 🙂
I don’t think many chicken coops are considered high value targets and the US is currently unable to produce Artillery shells in sufficient quantities, let alone Smart munitions…. Possibly YOU are SUPER IMPORTANT for some reason but most people in the US can do pretty much whatever they feel like and get away with it unless they get stupid
It’s the panopticon idea… make everyone scared because you can’t actually do much to them. Be of good cheer!
When I first started commenting on this site, I always wondered why the comment section is so poorly represented, so few commenters. On some articles/videos you can find as few as only 4 or 5 people taking up the entire comment section, very telling. Someone told me this site was too infested with those who, to put it kindly, like the smell of their own exhaust, an sentiment I have come to understand what he/she meant. The few that comment consider themselves thought police, people like you who think they alone have the answers and have the ego and arrogance to match.
I don’t care what you think, but you have a cult mentality, you can’t handle people who don’t buy into you delusion.
The fact you write so much about chickens and sidewinders, an obvious joke, tells me you care way too much…you don’t have much of a life do you.
“It’s the panopticon idea… make everyone scared because you can’t actually do much to them”, You really are delusional. “Can’t actually do much”, you mean like Covid, shut down the planet on a lie, install Trump, mass immigration, taxation, destroying all industry, starting a war and the draft, confiscating gold…if you were a critical thinker, you would not make such idiotic comments, but you do, which means you are not.
Your ad hominem style screams “hasbara”, but your inane banter screams moron, not sure which is worse.
“….The fact you write so much about chickens and sidewinders, an obvious joke, tells me you care way too muc….”
The fact that you need to go on about how “impossible” resistance is and whine how “it’s all over mannnnn!” Tells me a bit about you too.
First we should ask why someone who pretty much sees NO future would waste their time blackpilling and encourage people to feel helpless….
Learned helplessness report by Mr Corbett
https://corbettreport.com/corbett-report-radio-070-overcoming-learned-helplessness/
Why?
Either there is an economic drive (your hasbara talk) OR there is a deep sense of personal weakness- what the Unabomber would call an over socialized leftish mindset, I guess.
Honestly, you’re right in IN one way – MOST people will NOT make it. If you are anything like the way your portrayal of your self YOU won’t, and plenty of people are going in the blender. You won’t be much of a loss
Guess what?
They don’t matter, you don’t matter, only people who are willing to act to help themselves matter.
As to my life? lol, life is ALWAYS better with chickens so I guess I can smile 😉
I find it amazing that there are so many “Arm-chair” quarterbacks who have LIMITED information that is Propaganda from mainstream media, and think they know what is “Truthfully” going on in the world and voice their opinion, based upon ZERO knowledge and when they are FED reports through the LENSE of a camera, which EXTREMELY LIMITS what you are seeing; I see people basically offering their “Opinions” which are like asses on everyone. Everyone has one, most people don’t want to hear, see or smell it, and will avoid the offender like the plague.
That sums up most of the people posting Negative Nonsense here. As a Veteran of Military Intelligence who has been educating people to these globalist organizations, their Psychopathic missions, their crimes and those of their ilk, whom they control, I have seen and hear over 40 years of Nonsensical Rhetoric, when almost none of those commenting, have actual experience with the people that they speak negatively about, and the world that of the people that they are speaking negatively about.
Here’s a Fast Clue – The ENTIRE DC government is Absolute Fraud, IS a private corporation that their President at the time, Donald J. Trump, in the fall of 2020 filed Articles of Corporate Dissolution for “THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA” inc. with the Date of Dissolution, 1/20/21 at 11:59 a.m.
“Joe Biden” was given a military funeral on 1/20/21, while Commander In Chief Donald Trump took AF1 – the Football and went to Andrews Air Force Base and the red carpet was rolled out; Hail To the Chief was played and he was sworn in as the 19th President of the Constitutional Republic and we have been in Continuity of Government with “Special Forces” military and the CIC gave Full Authority to Special Forces Secretary of Defense to operate the government.
ALL of this can be found at thedocuments.info with all of the Laws, Bi-Partisan Legislation and Executive Orders that ALL can be found. And as someone who myself, was Q Intelligence, from 1977-81, at the NEWLY FORMED Department Of Energy where our Intelligence/Counter-Intelligence held Q Security Clearance, which is equal to the Department of Defense Top Secret Security Clearance, our mission to protect our Nation’s Borders via Satellite Systems, we KNOW and understand that mossad agents have been embedded into our country for DECADES, and due to their DEEP roots, that is why it has been clearly outlined that the Takedown of the Global Luciferian Network would “Save Israel for last” is because, when you have this type of cancer, if you take out the cancer too soon, the patient dies (America), so it is best to systematically and SURGICALLY REMOVE the cancer in phases and let the body (America) build up strength before the next surgery.
A Time consuming – but ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY method, in order to do the least amount of damage while saving the patient’s life!
First of all, “That sums up most of the people posting Negative Nonsense here”, what do you mean?
You, like so many on this web site often are critical without giving an example of WTF you are referring to.
You have to be brain dead to make such a statement. America is truly fucked, and I need “a veteran of military intelligence”, (as if that is a badge of honor, it is not) to tell me what is obvious. We just had an “election” where the Democratic candidate was GIVEN the nomination, GIVEN, so they could create the campaign they desired. They GAVE Biden the election to create Jan 6th and to give America 4 years of Weimar, so Zion Don could come in and simply reverse Biden and look good.
They have systematically moved all manufacturing over seas, they have taken over the entire education system, they have brought in tens of millions of illegal immigrants, they control the monetary system, the media, entertainment, Washington…
And for the other brain dead in this incredibly SMALL audience, “they” are Zionist Globalist Communists”. Sometimes I think this site is infested with ONLY hasbara, there is little evidence to the contrary.
You believe whatever makes you happy, but it is highly likely, there will be no America, as we now know it, after Trump.
“…..but it is highly likely, there will be no America, as we now know it, after Trum…..”
You say that like it’s automatically a bad thing.
Do you think the USA, which you’ve called ZOG, is a net benefit to us and the world?
You are lost; a legend in your own mind and a great Mind Colonic would serve you best. I wish you well but your Fatalism and Arrogance are YOURS and yours alone.
Lets see how many presumptions and ad hominens we can find in your first paragraph:
Arm-chair quarterbacks, limited information, Propaganda from MSM, just for starters…reading comments like yours are mentally exhausting, because it requires such an effort to see past your condescension and arrogance.
Stop looking for enemies, if you have an opinion state it, don’t use my beliefs as a launching point for your ideas. You are not alone in this obnoxious anti-social habit, it dominates this site. Zero-Hedge is far more constructive in its comment discourse, far more. Thus you get thousands of opinions, instead of maybe ten…people don’t like thought police, especially when they are most often gate keepers, knowingly or not.
I have read a bit about the challenges with commenting on this web site, it is often chalked up to being infested with hasbara trolls, which may just be the case: always looking for the distraction to explain our situation, instead of the obvious. America is ZOG.
rage into the dying of the light
Thank you James for covering this crucial part of truth, it was just what was on my mind lately – missing puzzle – to speak out freely, when being called a blackpiller. It clicked!
Reinventing the wheel for the pharmacological age. It used to be called stereotyping. What is needed now? A multicoloured array of suppositories for the array of permutations in the world of AI holes.
Oh Naomi Wolf, interesting.
I remember over a year ago she commented in a note in reference to my substack article about permaculture and voluntaryism (which Nevermoremedia had re-published on their channel) and she said:
“Respectfully none of this is good and also respectfully anarchism is more than a century old. Didn’t work the first time.”
https://archive.org/details/dr-naomi-wolfsaysanarchismisnogood
I responded by saying:
“Could you elaborate on what you mean by your comment about “none of this is good” ?
Democracy is also more than a century old and it also did not work the first time (nor the next thousand times it was attempted after that).
What are your thoughts on permaculture design ethics ?”
Looking forward to seeing how/if she responds.
Permaculture no good and anarchy no worky? Yikes. I want to keep it “civil” but that type of commentary is just no good. It’s delusional, at best.
Of course, to expect people to show a modicum of down to earth intelligence only because they are published authors and relatively outspoken would be naive. Naivete is no good.
I would not hold my breath for a meaningful reply. Yikes.
@mkey
“anarchy no worky” haha man you crack me up sometimes.. thanks for that.
Ya I had no previous expectations or comprehensive awareness of the lady prior to her commenting on my article. I think someone had told me about her book “The Shock Doctrine” one time before that.
re: “Of course, to expect people to show a modicum of down to earth intelligence only because they are published authors and relatively outspoken would be naive. Naivete is no good.”
True true.
I find the cognitive dissonance with people like her to be fascinating. On the one hand, these people say “look at all the corruption in government, it is not accountable for anything!” then on the other hand they say “but that is just because we have the wrong tyrant in there, if we had the right mob boss in the office, then democracy would wave a wand and make all our problems go away”. Yet, no matter who go into the office, same shit happens.
Or that Joe Allen guy that wrote the book on AI and transhumanism (“Dark Aeon: Transhumanism and the War Against Humanity”). He is a big fan of Trump, but now that Trump is all gung hoe on getting on board the AI bandwagon with Musk he has to do all these mental gymnastics to still hold up the guy on a pedestal in his writing (while simultaneously telling everyone that AI is evil) even though Trump is pushing the AI stuff hard.
The mommy and daddy government syndrome is mind boggling to me now that I do not buy into it anymore (at all).
I doubt she will reply, but she did say something about how what is missing in today’s society is “respectful debate”, so one would think she would want to debate her dismissive stance on permaculture and involuntary governance. We shall see.
Hypocrisy complements ignorance extremely well. Add doublethink to the mix and get ready for trouble.
In response to Jason Bassler’s excellent statement and question:
“..while it’s easy to focus on the doom and gloom, we also need to focus on solutions. If we want to change the world, it starts with us, not by forcing our will on others, but by leading by example. So I’ll leave you with this. What do you think is the real white pill?”
Embracing and building on place based regenerative wisdom that blends ancestral knowing with modern scientific knowledge. It is decentralized, scalable, irrepressible, produces immense abundance in food, medicine, cultural beauty and joy.
It gives one peace inside and helps the next generation find sturdy footing.
It is a path that leaves the Earth a little more beautiful than it was when we got here for those that will call it home after we are gone.
It nourishes the soul and enriches the mind.
—————–
For more on how I am working to embody and scale up that solution locally:
https://gavinmounsey.substack.com/p/designing-bio-cultural-refugia
Naomi Wolf remains a statist i see ;). She raises a good point though with the “blackpill”: ” they have all our data anyway”. Concerning that topic, @jamescorbett there is an interesting guy out there that devotes his energy to a blog about OpSec (blog.nowhere.moe, now only on the darknet accessible through tor). I find it to be very valuable content as he explains in great detail to the layman how 100% privacy and anonimity can be achieved on the internet and he walks you through the technical steps on how to do it. If you’re interested and have some time on your hands, give it a read, i think it could be valuable information for a solutionswatch episode. Regards, Hugh
Thanks for the tip about the OpSec blog. I will check that out.
Comedy can be an excellent way of getting past barriers and conveying truths through laughter. So I followed the link above to listen to Sam Tripoli’s stand up comedy act Why is everyone getting quiet?
After 39 minutes I had to shut if off. I simply couldn’t take it anymore. It was an endless diatribe of gross bathroom humour and reveling in sexual degeneracy. I could barely manage a smile let alone a laugh. I love witty humour, but not an obsession about genitals. His whole act seemed disgusting to me. Brain pollution.
Am I simply a humourless prude? Or did anyone else have a similar reaction if they took the time to listen to this act?
I did not listen to it, but I assure you there is nothing wrong about disliking someone’s humour. Sam does have a bit of his own thing going on and that’s fine.
Nothing in this world is everybodies cup of tea. If everyone liked everything, things would get really boring really soon.
Yeah….the interview was useful but I don’t like his voice or his humor either TBH.
I was thinking just the other day about media in the 80s and 90s and how I’d have reacted to media from today if I’d been shown it…. We’re so desensitized to filth that even a “nice” consumer of such is probably as degraded as a low class perv or criminal from back then.
Pretty horrific to think how little it phases me to see what my dad would have regarded as porn and simulated snuff movies.
It’s like we all went thru some kind of Trauma based ritual initiation or something
Thanks, kumro. I listened only to the first 5 or 6 minutes and wondered if I might have missed something in the subsequent part. Now I know.
My understanding of these magic pills and the funky coloring goes against the grain of rhe majority of this podcast.
Black pill, I think, has been described well.
The white pill would be something different. I think Ryan touched on it in the first segment and then it went in a different direction.
Anyway, the white pill is supposed to be the mirror image of the black pill. Hope instead of doom, things can change instead of nothing can change. But there ia no activation in it, it’s still the statist spiel, people are supposed to be waiting for the saviour. Trump being the current incarnation of it.
What James and the guests referred to as the white pill is actually the GOLD pill. The alchemical gold, the dual nature of man finding balance between the left and the right which are then coming together and looking past the moving pictures on the cave wall.
To make things even more nuanced, there is also the purple pill. I don’t know much about it, but if I were to suppose then I would say purple is the last trap, layed out somewhere on the path to striking gold.
But like you said, these boxes are stupid and people keep falling for them because they are complete idiots. I still like the symbolism behind it all.
Trapped in a Big Pharma paradigm trying to map thought and ideas using medicinal terms as pill. Big Pharma loves the free advertisement.
@NoGOV
Dam! How true!
Great comment.
Please!! Under no circumstances, take ANY pill that has not been tested and approved by the FDA, CDC, NIH, PBS, NBC, or the NBA! Doing so can cause irreparable arm to your mental health, and kill my grandma!! For further information, consult top experts and Whoopi Goldberg for details about your specific symptoms.
PS The Lion King is Angry; stay in line!
Ah Jimmy !
Someday, all good deeds will go unpunished!
2 Crucial points when engaging with the world.
Emotions: Always take note of which emotions are being triggered, and notice what it’s trying to protect us from. It’s usually a thought which triggers an association, which triggers a warning, be curious. Emotions are valid but not always justified.
Semantics: Different words have different meanings to different people. Many arguments can be avoided when people have the same definitions for words used.
One doesn’t need to use terms, one can actually use basic language to clarify any subject. When confused, go into the language and notice which words and associations that weren’t clear.
Never feel stupid for asking anyone to describe things in basic terms, it can be done if one understands the material correctly.
Mr Corbett, you have touched on two very important ideas in days recent to this video. The first being language as an organic construction, the second being humans having agency. You have enough “book learnin'” to be familiar with the ideas of language determinism and related concepts. It is the syntax of SOV and its variants that assumes agency, and it is the delusion of agency which is used to keep the populations in check. I share you’re alignment with anarchism for its capacity to somewhat resolve this delusion. But just as voting is a delusion, so is free will. The delusion of free will allows the perpetuation of the root cause of all unjustices, disparity in wealth and knowledge, to continue unabated. By perpetuating agency, you perpetuate the delusion. Anarchy has the potential to put the focus back on social responsibly and away from moral judgement(a delusion). There is only the law of the jungle. We only appear to have agency because the constructs of language assume it, so agency is a construct, not an absolute reality.
Special shout out to the Bible, Torah and Koran… word!!! (and their genius, social engineering authors) and an extra shout out to the next iteration of deeper delusions….hello Watson…
“…..The delusion of free will allows the perpetuation of the root cause of all unjustices, disparity in wealth and knowledge, to continue unabated. ….”
If there is no such thing as Free Will then how can one assume that these things (injustice, etc) are
A) possible to change (they will either change or not change regardless of your or my desires without any input we make mattering)
B) wrong or “unjust” – without free will the concept of “justice” is meaningless since the idea of “justice” assumes that there is a state of being where things are AS THEY OUGHT to be….. if there is no personal agency then how can you say a thing “ought” to be “just”????
“….By perpetuating agency, you perpetuate the delusion. …”
I disagree with the premise since I believe in personal agency but that is not relevant to the first point that without agency there is no way things “ought” to be, whatever way they are can be said to be the way they should be.
It would be like saying the rain was immoral or unjust.
“….Anarchy has the potential to put the focus back on social responsibly and away from moral judgement(a delusion)….”
IF “moral judgements” are a delusional state of mind why should anyone WISH to make things “just” or care about “social responsibility” ???? With out power / agency there is no responsibility.
WHY and in what way can you say justice is better then injustice without making a moral judgment??
I am genuinely interested in your response because your world view does not make sense to me
“If there is no such thing as Free Will then how can one assume that these things (injustice, etc) are:” … through the language that enables assumptions.
“if there is no personal agency then how can you say a thing “ought” to be “just”????”…. This is the tricky bit, the sharp part of the curve, I can not say, the saying happens as a matter of consequence, but it is not outside of awareness and intent.
“It would be like saying the rain was immoral or unjust.”… As we have already established, one does not say, and immorality is a delusion…
“IF “moral judgements” are a delusional state of mind why should anyone WISH to make things “just” or care about “social responsibility” ???? With out power / agency there is no responsibility.” …When morality is resolved we are only left with our conditional state and the focus is on awareness of intention. The reasons one “wishes” to or “cares” about how ones state is conditional on all else is central to a sustainable sentient being, i.e. being aware and aligning intentions within reality promote a state of shared experience that enables realisations of intentions. When power/agency is dissolved, we are left only with social responsibility.
“WHY and in what way can you say justice is better then injustice without making a moral judgment??” as rightly realised, i can not say, that is the entire premise, the injustice is inherent in the disparity…a measure of disparity requires only comparison, no absolute scale of measure. This language(tool) is a hammer that hits nails, it makes sharing the idea difficult, but not impossible.
“….i.e. being aware and aligning intentions within reality promote a state of shared experience that enables realisations of intentions…,”
THAT would mean that agency is NOT a delusion then, if we can use intentions to “enable realization of intention “ then you are saying that YOU CAN effect changes to outcome based on ideas and/or actions.
That IS agency is it not?
Unless you are saying that the intention arising is NOT your own and created by your own free will??
If such intentions are external to your self and imposed upon you without your choice then they are NOT intentions….. were that the case YOU are not taking any action, but are just being pushed along like a cork on a ripple swept pond. A cork pushed by wind has no agency and where it ends up does not matter to it.
If a desire for justice is imposed upon you it has no more value then a desire for a state of INjustice…. The cork in the above example can’t say this or that side of the pond is where it “ought” to be.
You yourself appear to AGREE with this analogy in your last paragraph…. And thus you are left in the position of NOT arguing FOR justice- by your definition INequalty and INjustice are as desirable and valuable as the other state.
Thus if I fight to enslave and exploit others I would be doing nothing wrong…?
Is this what you are saying?
IF that is what you are saying then you have removed yourself for the realm of THINKING human beings and placed yourself in the realm of chemical reactions or possibly instinct driven animals… do you agree with this analysis?
We can not “use intentions” we are aware of them, but yes, We in fact only in effect are part of changes, the outcomes are predetermined, but that does not mean improvement of state is not an outcome. In fact, within sustainability of sentience it makes more sense for such than not.
“That IS agency is it not?”…. it is not, it is awareness of a state of condition and intentions based on such.
….what matters to the cork(assuming awareness of self) is conditional. If the cork becomes aware of its conditional nature its intentions will be more aligned with reality and it’s ability to convey its condition to other sentience and it’s ability to “navigate” it’s conditions will allow for greater self preservation(albeit within destiny).
The cork can say no thing, but yes you are correct, in a world where some corks believe(through conditioning) they can impose will, there are biased established. When a cork comes along that recognises the absence of agency it threatens the delusion and invokes a fear response. If a desire for injustice is “imposed” upon my it can only occur though reasoning and by conditions, and therefore the “imposition” is a conditional arising. Focusing on and becoming aware of the conditions that led to the “imposition” allows one to navigate the conditional outcomes.
I am not arguing, the responses are conditional. The state of “justice” that allows increased awareness of the conditions that has led to the sense of self and alignment of intention with reality is the most valuable.
“Thus if I fight to enslave and exploit others I would be doing nothing wrong…?”
You would be behaving conditionally, and indeed are doing nothing wrong or right.
“Is this what you are saying?” my responses are conditional. i.e. i say for reasons, by reason, of reason.
“IF that is what you are saying then you have removed yourself for the realm of THINKING human beings and placed yourself in the realm of chemical reactions or possibly instinct driven animals… do you agree with this analysis?…”
If indeed my state is conditional i have done no such “placing”. By embracing conditional reality one transcends beyond chemical reactions into further states of awareness and condition, chemical reactions are just chemical reactions. you are on the right track.
“….We in fact only in effect are part of changes, the outcomes are predetermined, but that does not mean improvement of state is not an outcome. …”
Yes, but there is no reason by your logic to prefer one state to another.
As I understand you you are saying that you are driven to act and have no choice in what your actions or desires are.
“..,In fact, within sustainability of sentience it makes more sense for such than not….”
There is by your system no reason to prefer a sustainable state over a non sustainable system one.
“….By embracing conditional reality one transcends beyond chemical reactions into further states of awareness and conditio…..”
One CAN NOT transcend by your own logic since
A) IF one did/could the Transcendental motion would be IMPOSED rather then chosen
B) Your system gives no evidence OF a transcendental layer even existing. The state you describe is one of pure physical causes (like the ripples on a pond) and does not suggest or show any higher layer of existence then physical causes.
I disagree with your premises but if you are correct there can be no transcendent layer because EVEN CONSCIOUSNESS would be nothing more then the effects of physical forces and thus you appear to be denying the existence of consciousness itself… is this correct?
Consciousness itself is by your understanding just a result of physical forces acting upon the processes of your brain??? Then I do not understand how you can speak of sentience since it would be just physical processes
Am I understanding your point correctly?
IF you deny consciousness itself what exactly is able to exist on transcendent level???? Even assuming that such a level existed which I do not believe you have demonstrated clearly
You’re previous first sentence implies you have overlooked my previous first sentence: “We in fact only in effect are part of changes, the outcomes are predetermined, but that does not mean improvement of state is not an outcome. In fact, within sustainability of sentience it makes more sense for such than not.” There are only reasons for preference, conditional reasons. Your second statement implies you overlooked my previous second sentence: “what matters to the cork(assuming awareness of self) is conditional. If the cork becomes aware of its conditional nature its intentions will be more aligned with reality and it’s ability to convey its condition to other sentience and it’s ability to “navigate” it’s conditions will allow for greater self preservation(albeit within destiny).” There is no denial of consciousness Duck, only a total acceptance of it for all rests within it.
Catalyst
“…..the cork becomes aware of its conditional nature its intentions will be more aligned with reali…..”
The cork can NOT, by your system, “become aware” because the only way it could do so would be via the PHYSICAL PROCESSES inside its mind.
These physical processes are, in your system, dependent upon INPUTS that act upon them (the same way ripples move the cork) and are thus imposed from outside.
There can be no conscious “awareness” in such a system, any more then a remote controlled car can be said to “be aware” when it’s motions are driven by forces outside itself.
Thus the “navigation “ you speak of below CAN NOT exist because the desire to navigate to any point is imposed by pure physical forces.
“……and it’s ability to “navigate” it’s conditions will allow for greater self preservation(albeit within destiny).”
The cork may desire survival or it may desire its own destruction but , in the system you describe, these desires are imposed upon it and are not its own…. Thus it can not be “awareness in” any more then a LLM chatbot can be “aware” of the meaning of the words it spits out via pattern recognition and prediction.
Your system excludes awareness and consciousness and replaces them with cybernetic input/outputs
You state the following:
“But just as voting is a delusion, so is free will. The delusion of free will allows the perpetuation
of the root cause of all unjustices, disparity in wealth and knowledge, to continue unabated. By
perpetuating agency, you perpetuate the delusion. Anarchy has the potential to put the focus
back on social responsibly and away from moral judgement(a delusion).”
I understand this comment to mean that human beings have no free will and that believing that humans have free in fact facilitates injustices?
I understand why some don’t believe in free will from a biological standpoint. Biological determinism being that we are merely manifestations of our genetic codes which determine behavior. Also that human beings are governed by base impulses. Survival, comfort and safety.
While I acknowledge that there is some truth to biological influences on behavior, I am not sure this is proof free will does not exist. It’s sort of like the debate about the existence of God. Empirically, I do not see evidence of existence of a divine being but there is also no evidence God does not exist. Thus this is an unknown.
Perhaps we can say we don’t know if free will exists. In both cases it comes down to belief. Why do some people believe in God an others do not? Is this not a choice? Perhaps the choice demonstrates free will.
Cu.h.j
The whole New Atheism attack on free will was always funny, in that people like Dawkins were always saying how bad religion was without making the leap of their own logic that such people would have no choice but to be religious because events had made them that way. 🙂
In truth the attack on the concept of free will is a political thing, to make humans into animals or products that can be shaped by shapers (as it says in “abolition of man” ) .
This attack is close to the attack on the family in books like “the authoritarian personality “ where NOT being a lonely nueurotic pervert was seen as fascism….lol. Nasty politics by nasty people, EM Jones (degenerate moderns) wrote a good book on how the personal faults of 20th century thinkers has actually changed the way normal people live their lives.
Because I was a very weird kid I had an existential crisis thinking about causality when I was (?) 8 or so and thought about newtons universe with every atom bumping every other atom in an endless string of events causing events that could have been predicted from thr very beginning (I’d not heard of Lapaces demon then https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplace%27s_demon )
In the end I decided that , like Calvinist pre-destination, it’s a pointless doctrine since
A) if it’s true you can’t do anything about it
B) if it’s not true it makes you less likely to act in a useful way. So I rejected it for reasons of pragmatism.
The other issue is that predetermined outcomes based on physical events remove the possibility of awareness and consciousness since every thought would be imposed the way it is for a character in a book being written… denying my own consciousness would be weird and probably bad for my brain
Duck,
I had never heard about “Laplace’s Demon” before. Thanks for the link and sharing your thoughts.
I did a little light reading on the philosophical debate with respect to causality and free will and it’s been going on for a long time.
I read about concepts of “compatiblism and incompatiblism.” A very simple to understand summary here:
https://philosophybreak.com/articles/compatibilism-philosophys-favorite-answer-to-the-free-will-debate/
The gist of compatibilism is that human beings can have free will in a universe that also contains some degree of determinism, such as the force of gravity and mortality of the physical body for example.
Here is another link that is more academic regarding these ideas:
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/compatibilism/
I think my view aligns more closely with compatibilism, that the existence of consciousness itself is a manifestation of free will that you have clearly explained in the above.
When I was a child of your age, I remember being afraid of death and could not reconcile my mom’s belief in God and also the existence of death. She told me that the soul is eternal, but I always had doubts, that are probably still with me.
When I was a teenager, my atheism grew stronger and I remember researching the studies in life extension and immortality. I now know this is trans-humanism.
When I was around 22, I had a significant injury and subsequent life altering experience that shifted my consciousness quite a bit and I had more flexibility around my beliefs about the existence of God. I still am not always sure God exists. I just don’t know. I wish that I could have the faith that others do.
I think free will ties into this debate about the existence of God.
Cu.h.j
“..,.I think free will ties into this debate about the existence of God….”
Yes.
The points are twofold IMO
A) the public promoters are mostly people with disgusting vices who want to remove the idea of there being an objective right and wrong so that anything these people do is NOT a vice, just how they were made.
B) the people funding them and boosting the message want to take it to the next phase of “man is a machine we can jack or live stock we can breed”
lol , re life extension, when I was a small kid I came up with the idea of cloning myself. Then realized it would not be me without my memory so decided I’d have to video tape everything that happened and play it to the clone….. THEN realized that the clone would be the same age as me from watching it all. Much disappointment!!! Lololol
Identify The Strings and Cut The Ties
When they got in that crowd and divide, do you bow or do you rise?
Are you one of those who resists or who complies?
Identify The Strings and Cut The Ties
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwqSqLRPe0g
The delusion of free will is the mechanism that governments have wielded over generations to “control” the masses. It allows the individual to be punished and for the social conditions that led to the behavior to be ignored and for the status quo to be maintained. To state it quite bluntly, any doctrine preaching free will is responsible for the shackles on humanity…ironic isn’t it. Subject, Object and Verb are the culprits..they assume agency.
But in this way of thinking the government would ALSO lack free will and its imposition of control is not its own choice (since its members would also lack agency
indeed, they are slaves also to their conditions…not to say selfish and ill intent is not present. but by accepting this we can better focus on navigation of the cork
How can you be said to navigate when the urge to go here or to there is imposed from outside upon your mind?
You can not “better focus” unless the desire and urge to “better focus” is imprinted on your mind by the forces acting upon your brain.
That’s what I get from your argument
That is indeed the point Duck, being aware of the “urge” to go hither and thither is paramount in understanding our conditioning. The “desire” has been imprinted by millions of years of interaction. If one thinks one has agency one is in a state of delusion which does not recognise conditionality. By awareness of the conditional nature, our intentions are inherently aligned with causality and thus we are afforded greater ability to influence our conditional state through intention. But if our intentions are ill aligned with conditionality our sense of self “awareness” suffers. The focus of society needs change from blame and agency to social responsibility, otherwise, y’all have fun creating ruling tyrants by default of the status quo of agency(free will).
“….. The focus of society needs change from blame and agency to social responsibility, ….”
WHY does it need to change from one to the other?
You are falling into infinite regress, n that you keep talking about intentionality while your system of thought Can Allow No Such Thing.
in your system anyone who wishes to gain intentionality ONLY wishes to gain it because they were acted upon by outside forces.
You have NOT shown why this state is “better” or “worse” than any other state.
You have not shown that one state is better then the other because your system RULES OUT the very possibility of one thing being better or worse then the other and have no way to define VALUE of any state.
Thus
“…..have fun creating ruling tyrants by default of the status quo of agency(free will)….”
Is n your system a MEANINGLESS saying because you have no measure to value tyrants as better or worse then any other state.
In your system the tyrants are not even tyrants, they are mere slaves to forces outside their own control, they are as preferable as the state of transcendence you mentioned earlier.
You have recreated TULIP Calvinism – those “predestined to hell” have not even the power to repent of their sins. Those “predestined to heaven” can not refuse grace.
Your removal of free will has removed consciousness….man as a meat machine.
Also do you have a good cookie recipe?
Your perspective on the matter is from within your conditioning. There is no one great source to cover all talking points but i can suggest Sam Harris and Michel Foucault as a start, there are many others. Sam is a modern philosopher and you can find him on Youtube, Foucault has a few books, many available for free on archive.
I stay away from carb’s but do like freshly baked(or half baked) ANZAC biscuits
“because you have no measure to value tyrants as better or worse then any other state” ….. I will swing this past you one more time with the hammer i have been given to drive in nails: …..Within sustainability of sentience it makes more sense for conditional awareness as it allows for greater knowledge of influential forces. This implies a “value” based on an awareness of conditions.
May I offer a much shorter book for you to read? Try CS Lewis, Abolition of man.
Sam Harris is the cringiest Jew in existence.
He was probably the weakest of the New Atheists, Dickie Dawkins was at least a good scientist even if he was a rubbish philosopher. Harris was even worse, last time I saw him he was talking about working out the best outcomes being good morality – without being able to define WHY his definition of “good outcomes “ was valid. Sneaky rhetoric, appealing to priors that remain unexamined.
Reading Socratic dialogues will very quickly let you see thru such Sophistry.
He should have stuck to screen writing like his mom.
I may or may not be trapped by “my conditioning” but the question is do my points make sense? If what I was saying was flawed then you should know your own argument well enough to point those flaws out
Yyou yourself have been conditioned by social training and by exposure to media….large sums of money appear to have been spent promoting the 4horsemen of atheism. They rose to media prominence because certain people had an aim to change the culture…..the question then is what your own conditioning has programmed you with.
And who wanted you to think that way??? And why??
Trust me , when you start to dig away the layers of program ing it causes actual pain and anxiety.
You are correct that philosophy is the way out of conditioning….. but again one would do best to start with Socratic dialogues so as to learn to cut thru the sophistry.
“…… Within sustainability of sentience it makes more sense for conditional awareness as it allows for greater knowledge of influential forces. This implies a “value” based on an awareness of conditions.….”
That does not follow.
1) you can’t have awareness of conditions in your system except when awareness is forced onto you.
2) it does not follow that awareness is better or worse the non awareness
3) if you can not show one state nor the other to be preferred or better then the term “value” has no meaning in the sentence
Sam has Jewish heritage, he was raised secular. I’m not going to argue on the cringe aspect.
Philosophy is not the way out of conditioning, it is the way to accept conditions.
The three points you made are not well thought out. I will leave them to you to dwell upon.
Do you consume alcohol Duck?
It would make more sense to point out where I was wrong in them.
But I must away now anyway
“He was probably the weakest of the New Atheists”
perhaps, but Dennett is the most off kilter and potentially dangerous voice. Like i said, there is no one great source.
If there is no one good source to explain this Philosophy then it is quite probably because the philosophy itself is flawed and its internal logic makes no sense.
A coherent philosophy ought to be relatively easy for one thinker to lay out the basics, even if people quibble over the details.
An interesting side note on your mention of viewpoints and seeing stuff inside your conditioning POV might be the CCRU…. They had the idea of trying to get outside the human POV abut it ended up with them doing actual magic, going full Crowley so to speak, lololol, not even kidding. It’s a funny fact that humans always loop back and reinvent the same errors and think they came up with something new….. perennial errors such as the New Atheism repackaged (badly) have been argued thru many many times by far smarter men then you and I
I do consume alcohol but the last drink I had was a couple of weeks ago when I was sick as a dog. 🙁 ugh that was pretty awful
“If there is no one good source to explain this Philosophy then it is quite probably because the philosophy itself is flawed and its internal logic makes no sense.
A coherent philosophy ought to be relatively easy for one thinker to lay out the basics, even if people quibble over the details.”
What part of conditional circumstance is difficult to understand? Causality is pure logic and only makes sense, the hard part is realising it within the frame work of thinking, which is governed by language, which assumes agency(a delusion). This communication is founded on the agent and the object, the doer and done to. This is why we have tyrants, our language not only permits tyranny but promotes it. The tyranny only ends when the general consensus is of an happening, not of a doing.
“by far smarter men then you and I ”
speak for yourself…as the saying goes
“….What part of conditional circumstance is difficult to understand? ….”
The idea itself is simple, it is however IMO not enough to explain things.
“…..Causality is pure logic and only makes sense, ….”
The philosophy you outline has NO away to have a concept of “sense”….. sense requires an observer to “sense” things.
In your system there IS NO OBSERVER….every thought in the pseudo observers head is placed there by physical events. There is no actual thought or observation or observer to “make sense” of anything.
Again you describe a system of cybernetic control, but the governor onna steam engine has no “sense” of itself or events, nor does a LLM chat bot have a “sense” of the word strings it makes via pattern prediction.
“…..hard part is realising it within the frame work of thinking, ….”
There is NO THINKING aim the system you lay out- your thoughts exist in your brain and they are the result of events. Thinking requires agency to exist, without agency there is no “Thinking” , just a string of events that follow one from the other.
“…..This communication is founded on the agent and the object, the doer and done to….”
Your system can not have real “communication” in it, because to communicate two minds must exist and then pass information to each other…. The BEST your system allows us cybernetic feedback within a closed system of events….. it’s at like saying cruse control communicates with the speedometer of a car- true only in the sense that they give feedback to each other.
Without agency there is no thought, just feedback.
“…..This is why we have tyrants, our language not only permits tyranny but promotes it. …”
Your system is worse then the worst tyranny because even is Stalins Russia a human could THINK, but your system removes the possibility of thought and replaces it with machine feedback.
“….The tyranny only ends when the general consensus is of an happening, not of a doing..,,”
Tyranny and freedom are meaningless terms in your philosophy.
Tyranny can not be done to machines responding to a feedback loop, which is what you describe man as.
“…..
speak for yourself…as the saying goes….”
You can’t have the concept of “self” without a concept of agency. A machine has no “self”
You might like to read “cybernetics and the origin of information “ by Ruyer… but to “want” requires agency 😉
In addition to reading the book on cybernetics you might find THIS video of interest
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SN4Z95pvg0Y&pp=ygUZUGF0dGVybnMgcnVsZSB0aGV3aXJsZCBhaQ%3D%3D
I am not a matchbox I am a free men 😉
Duck, I’m afraid you are full of poorly thought out debate and haven’t the time to give you. I concede the forum to you to do with as you have always pleased, to the detriment of many.
Catalyst
“……concede the forum to you to do with as you have always pleased, ….”
How can “you” concede without agency and free will?
By your philosophy you were driven to concede by forces acting upon you, just as I was driven to make my points without choice…. So how can you say as I “please” ????
I can only do as I please if I have agency and free will to pick a path that “pleases “ me.
“….to the detriment of many….”
Those “many” are not detrimented by “me” according to YOUR reasoning…. They are set upon their path by pre-destined events that must follow from one another.
I do not see how they, if they lack free will, CAN be described as detrimented or aided. If their actions and thoughts are not their own.
I think that you do not understand your own philosophy very well, in a post to G (iirc) you talk about gaining agency at a transcendental level…. But any attempt to do so REQUIRES a choice be made to do so…. If trying to see beyond is FORCED BY EVENTS sand not chosen by free will you are STILL trapped by events and have only fallen into a NEW delusion of agency which you would not have….. you can’t be ordered to be free and become free – you can’t only be free if you have the free will to choose freedom over not.
“….Duck, I’m afraid you are full of poorly thought out debate and haven’t the time to give you…..”
But BY YOUR philosophy I am full of debate because external events forced me to be.
And you hold your position because external forces force YOU to hold your POV.
So by your definitions does that make debate pointless? Because neither you nor I choose to debate, but are driven to it. And neither of our positions are reasoned out by our own agencies but forced upon us?
Seriously dude… you’re getting into CCRU levels of bonkers trying to embody this philosophy and that goes to a dark dark place.
@catalyst
Okay…
So the song is “preaching free will” and that is not your cup of tea? Is that the moral of the story here? 🙂
I dunno man, I think the whole “there is no free will” argument offers an easy out for people not interested in doing the hard work to embody the change they want to see in the world.
Like a sort of existential victim mind state that can justify all forms of laziness, stagnation and capitulation.
Could you help me understand how the opposite of “free will preaching” (what ever that is) can improve life on Earth?
There is no “Like a sort of” about it, it’s as stated 100%.
I don’t know about the moral of the story G, but your question certainly sums up the fundamental cause of the issues we face collectively as a species. Your (and my) world view operates in opposites, this has been instilled in us from the syntax of our languages, Subject, Object and Verb. How we experience and express really is a construction of this syntax. It is a syntax that assumes agency, agency is not inherent. The rational behind increasing awareness of conditional reality is providing one the means to view reality without the construct(delusion). Experiencing reality in a raw form affords the self the opportunity to develop and learn outside of the conditions set upon the self by syntax.
Throughout history states have used the agency of the individual to ignore the systemic issues of society, inherent injustices. We are all victims to circumstance but the solutions are not met by doing nothing, rather by being aware of the conditions that led to the state. Only once things are understood can things be consciously navigated, you don’t start building a house when you realise you need shelter, you first need to understand the materials and how they come together. Whereas i might sound like someone claiming victim and advocating laziness, you might be taken as someone not prepared to accept your social responsibilities acting rashly within a rampant delusion. But i will reiterate, government has always pushed the responsibility to the individual and this has always been use to permit the social divides we are witnessing. This world does not get better until people see the manipulation and how it has been used to maintain the status quo. You want to dissolve government and tyranny then dissolve the delusion of free will. They go hand in glove.
@catalyst
RE: “you might be taken as someone not prepared to accept your social responsibilities acting rashly within a rampant delusion.”
I am intrigued. Tell me more.
What exactly are these “social responsibilities” that I am not prepared to accept?
mores to the point, what is this free will idea that you have blindly accepted that allows you to pose the question? is there a reason you ask the question? what conditions led to you asking the question? or did you act outside of conditions?
Where exactly is this hard work that i have not done?
Observe your mindset G. You have taken the defensive role, you are a victim being accused of not having done something and demand the accuser explain themself…
The social responsibility we are dealing with here is demanded of everyone to be honest with themselves.
You are not intrigued G, you are cynical and think yourself a fox. You felt attacked, so you thought is clever to put the onus on to me. You are not dealing with that type of person G. Reassess your feelings and come at me differently so that we both may benefit. How it stands, (within this story, within this syntax), is me verses you, the two opposites. Resolve the two into one.
@catalyst
Thanks for elaborating.
I am happy with how honest I am with myself but thanks anyways for the suggestion.
Talk is cheap, I would rather use my hands to leave this world a little more beautiful and abundant than it was when I got here for future generations. So that is what I do with my time on Earth.
You wanna tell me there is no free will involved there? Okay, I am not invested in that sacred work in an egotistical way, so I am fine with giving God all the credit (as he gave me these gifts I use in my work in the first place).
I wish you all the best on your crusade against “free will preaching”.
The most important focus is not the moral of the story but the syntax it is written in.
10 years old but still current.
@mkey
I know right!
That girl was calling out the scams, statists and eugenics ops back before many “rebel musicians” started to in more recent years.
Check out this other track of her`s https://substack.com/@gavinmounsey/note/c-98711396
some of the lyrics I attempted to type out:
“..they’re part of the machine telling us to buy into whatever it is that they decide will be better for the masses and best for the regime ..you better get your vaccine..
..can’t you see they’re killing us?
with their chemical sprays and as for with the terminator seeds for the war machine we be eating.. Can’t you see that their is killing us
Have you heard of such a thing as a silent Forest?
How come the same people that made agent orange are growing our corn it doesn’t make any sense..
..until you get this they sell the food that is making us sick and when we get sick the very same people are selling us the “medicine”…
it’s a military-industrial/pharmaceutical and agricultural Global complex that is taking control because we are letting them..
you better wise up to their deceitful means.. can’t you see can’t you see they killing us?
..with their chemical sprays, and aspartame, with their terminator seeds from the war machine with the modified food we be eating all they can’t you see this is killing us?..
..There goes another earthquake disaster abroad meanwhile no one wants to talk about HARRP… men disguise weapons as acts of God and so they get away with cuz nobody want say that maybe just maybe what happened here and what happened in Haiti was actually caused by something manmade and these men getting away with it..
..better wise up to their deceitful means, can’t you see they’re killing us ? “
Let’s all watch the watchers; and laugh at them.
If you watch the watcher are you yourself a watcher? Who is left to laugh at you?
😉
People that feel so insecure that they want to know everything you say and do are more to be pitied than laughed at. Whatever, they can stick their pills and jabs (sideways) where the monkey stuffed his nuts.
I had placed Naomi Wolf into the probable deceiver category at some point around the start of the scamdemic.
Don’t even remember what for though.
Props to Broc for showing her site so well while she described it. I bet she’ll be very pleased.
Thank you, James, thank you.
God James, you have beautiful friends. Thank you.
It matters not much whether one is red, blue, black, or white pilled. Forces much greater than us will ultimately determine how things turn out.