NASA Admits Antarctica Gaining Land Ice (But good news is bad news to climate alarmists)

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sea-ice-expanding-in-antarcticaby James Corbett
November 3, 2015

Do you spend sleepless nights worrying about the sea level rise caused by the melting of the Antarctic ice sheet? Well, enjoy your slumbers, my friend: NASA has just given you reason to sleep easier.

A new study, entitled “Mass gains of the Antarctic ice sheet exceed losses” and published in the Journal of Glaciology, overturns previous assessments (including the one relayed in the latest IPCC report) that Antarctica is losing land ice and thus contributing to sea level rise. As NASA states in a press release, previous assessments had falsely assumed that increasing surface height of the ice sheets was due to snow accumulation, but the new study shows that the rise in elevation is in fact due to ice gain.

The upshot is that earlier assessments, including the IPCC’s, got the Antarctic contribution to sea level rise—previously pegged at 0.27 millimeters per year—precisely wrong. “The good news is that Antarctica is not currently contributing to sea level rise, but is taking 0.23 millimeters per year away.” Well, they were only off by 185%, I suppose, and they got the change in the wrong direction. It could be worse . . . I mean better.

But don’t worry, things are still bad. “But this is also bad news. If the 0.27 millimeters per year of sea level rise attributed to Antarctica in the IPCC report is not really coming from Antarctica, there must be some other contribution to sea level rise that is not accounted for.”

You see, the same researchers who can’t even accurately say whether the Antarctic ice sheets are gaining or losing mass (let alone how much mass) are able to determine global sea level rise to within hundredths of a millimeter. No accuracy issues there, of course. So you can continue worrying, I suppose. (Except for that pesky little Stanford study from September showing that previous models vastly overestimated future sea level rise.)

If this seems like déjà vu all over again, then congratulations; you’re paying attention.

Remember when “NASA satellites detect[ed] unexpected ice loss in East Antarctica” in 2009? The results were “unexpected” because East Antarctica was previously considered stable, with the continent’s ice loss (well, net gain) supposedly taking place in West Antarctica. It took a science-hating-denier-skeptic-heathen-beast to point out that the numbers were derived from gravity measurements that were picking up on isostatic adjustment, i.e., changes taking place beneath the surface of the ice, not changes in the ice levels themselves. And lo and behold a few months later a team led by another NASA JPL researcher found that the gravity measurements had in fact been measuring (. . . wait for it . . .) isostatic adjustment.

But somehow “Unexpected ice loss in East Antarctica” generated more headlines than “Ooops, Sorry About That, We Were Measuring Something Else Entirely.” Go figure.

This is not an isolated phenomenon, of course.

Do you remember when NASA released this dramatic image of the temperature trends in Antarctica showing a clear positive warming trend of between 0.05C and 0.1C throughout most of the continent?


Did you notice the fine print at the end of the third paragraph, where it’s casually admitted that the level of uncertainty in the measurements the map was based on was between 2 and 3 degrees C, or 40-to-60 times the increment they claimed to be measuring? This type of utterly meaningless exercise in map coloring would get you an “F” in any undergrad science course, but it’s good enough for NASA.

So perhaps it should come as no surprise that the authors of the new paper showing that the Antarctic is in fact detracting from sea level rise, not adding to it, are being treated with derision and hostility by their colleagues. “Please don’t publicize this study,” one University of Colorado researcher pleaded with Al Jazeera. After all, it can’t be right; it “contradicts 13 years of satellite measurements of Antarctica’s ice by NASA’s GRACE mission.”

And that’s the point. You would think this would be treated as wonderful news by people who were genuinely concerned about the supposed disastrous effects of climate change. Any sane person would be delighted to find out they were horribly wrong about their dire predictions of doom and gloom. But apparently it wasn’t wonderful news to the researchers whose $1.5 trillion climate change gravy train is threatened by a cooling off of global warming hysteria.

Unfortunately, however, the unfalsifiable, goalpost-shifting, global warming climate change global weirding pseudoscience is not just about business interests. It’s about a much larger agenda, one first mapped out by the Club of Rome in its 1991 publication The First Global Revolution, which stated:

In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like, would fit the bill. In their totality and their interactions these phenomena do constitute a common threat which must be confronted by everyone together. But in designating these dangers as the enemy, we fall into the trap, which we have already warned readers about, namely mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention in natural processes, and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy then is humanity itself.

Yes, this is the same Club of Rome that predicted the complete exhaustion of over a dozen resources in its 1972 “Limits to Growth” publication—and whose predictions all failed. And yes, this is the same Club of Rome that then celebrated its “Limits to Growth” fearmongering failure by doubling down with a giant 40th anniversary “celebration” of . . . 40 years of considerable growth?

Failed predictions from "Limits to Growth" (predictions already falsified in red)

Failed predictions from “Limits to Growth” (already-falsified predictions are in red)

And yes, this is the same Club of Rome whose members include the Al Gores and Mikhail Gorbachevs and Tim Wirths and Paul Ehrlichs of the world, all of whome have the means, motive and opportunity to indeed “make humanity the enemy.”

And now we’re on the verge of the latest United Nations climate conference, the COP21 summit scheduled to take place in Paris November 30–December 11. Just like in Copenhagen in 2009, this conference is threatening to introduce a slate of new global governmental institutions, regulations and mechanisms designed to combat the (non-existent) climate change threat. On the table in the draft text of the new climate treaty: a new UN Tribunal to adjudicate on countries’ non-compliance with climate commitments.

We have eugenecist Bilderberger Bill Gates now piling on UNFCCC Executive Secretary Christiana Figueres’ admission earlier this year that the conference will intentionally “change the economic development model” of the world by admitting that only big government can save the world from global warming, coupled with China being drawn into the global warming fold as part of its five-year-plan bid to become more involved in international institutions and tripled with Obama threatening to do an end run around the Senate to get the treaty passed, I think it’s safe to say that big things are afoot in this global technocratic power grab.

Stay tuned to these pages for ongoing coverage as we approach COP21.


  1. Where to start? James Lovelock of Gaia Theory fame emphasized that the collecting of empirical data with such a complex system was the only way to determine what effects humanity might be having on planetary systems. Modeling he wrote would not be accurate enough, that what is needed are scientist taking accurate measurements at many multiple points to gather the data needed for accurate assessment. While many wish to believe that humanities activities have no effect on climate this is also not proved. Perhaps in combination with natural occurring phenomena science will find the truth of why and how rapidly the planetary climate system may be changing. One must remember that initial earth life consisted of simple bacteria and such that flourished in the then largely methane atmosphere, giving off oxygen as a by product until they poisoned themselves to extinction by altering the atmosphere significantly enough to do themselves harm.The troposphere is a very thin layer of air which contains within itself all the life forms of our planet. How thin? Pilots are warned to begin using compressed air above 10,000 feet. Do we want to gamble and continue as presently or do we think that just perhaps and maybe we should be doing proper science to determine if what modelers are finding has any truth to their work?

    As far as political and corporate agenda existing there can be no doubt and this makes doubly certain that we need clear unequivocal untainted scientific evidence as to what is taking place. What the corporate-political nexus have as their agenda (21) may also be their scheme for mitigating climate change to their own benefit while also engendering fun and profits in a technocratic world where so few humans may be necessary to maintain future standards of living for the various economic classes.

    • I used to Play SIM EARTH based on his Gaia hypothesis… it was a pretty cool and expensive piece of software back then (you can find it free online and run it in DOSBOX now days… shame you dont see that kind of software toy around anymore, as flawed as it was it was pretty interesting to see one thing effect the next

      I was always boiling off the oceans and stuff.

  2. Just cut and paste into Google Translate. Cut and paste back here. I’ll touch up the robot-speak a little.

    It is absolutelyly essential to watch the movie: “Global warming. The greenhouse effect questioned “(Google), and here we go just review the facts demonstrated:

    Global warming began at the end of the Little Ice Age (1700).
    There is a link between the activity cycle of the sun (sunspots) and temperature changes.
    There is no link between CO2 levels and very slow warming
    A cycle of 60 years of cooling followed by warming is evident. It appears we are at the beginning of a cooling period.
    Another cooling took place between 1940 and 1970.

    Al Gore announced an ice-free Arctic in 2013. The opposite happened and the volume of summer ice has tripled in 3 years …
    Antarctica is growing so fast that it tends to reach South America.

    In contrast to all the IPCC models, the total area of ​​the ice is
    excess relative to its known mean.

    From 1950-1989 the CO2 increases and the temperature drops.
    The rise and fall of sea level is following the 60-year cycle.
    Celestial mechanics – namely the oscillations of the Sun around the center of mass of the solar system, oscillations due to large planets – influences temperatures.
    The amount of CO2 is very low, but enough to stop almost all infrared rays emitted by the soil. More CO2 changes nothing.
    In 34 years the estimated fossil fuel reserves have increased from 55 to 125 years, despite the acceleration of consumption. (4)
    Europe no longer influences the global CO2 production. She lost count …
    A thermal power plant has a productivity of 80 to 95%. The wind in Germany … 14.8%!
    The wind changes constantly, disrupts production, and accompanying wind power plants are the most polluting. Germany consumes even its lignite because it does not cost “anything.” The least polluting plants are closed for lack of profitability ….
    Even if Europe is bleeding to death – which it is, because its industries are closing – and realizes the IPCC targets, it could avoid in 2020 … 0,014 ° C, immeasurable! So even if we control to IPCC standards, it is useless.
    The great lie of Al Gore: CO2 raises the temperature. It has no effect on the temperature. Warming seas release the CO2.
    Report by report, none of the IPCC models coincides with the measurements made. And now, it has already abandoned his most alarmist models …
    The IPCC models vary them 1600% (!!) and have … 300 parameters. None are validated by observations.

    21. The detailed analysis of temperature deviations from the CO2 concentration reveals … nothing! There is no link CO2 – temperature. Simply put, the CO2 already plays to 95% its role is minimal.

    22. 350 scientific articles referenced the highest level on populartechnology do not share the alarmist conclusions of the IPCC. (5)

    23. The weather is related to barometric pressure. This is the barometer that “predicted” the time for the next few hours, not the thermometer. The barometer indicates fewer hurricanes. The media and overcrowding amplify the effects of natural and unavoidable catastrophes …

    24. The Earth is a planet dying for lack of CO2. Increasing CO2 levels is a blessing, the only true way to roll back the desert.

    25. Nature shows its eagerness to absorb CO2 in greening! Man is thus better fed and, since 1961, this represents 3000 billion gain in evaluating the improvement of agricultural production-related CO2 levels rise. (6)

    26. Arid regions benefit most from CO2 gain. (7)

    This list of affirmations request evidence and demonstrations. The film is simply perfect, complete and more than convincing. This does not prevent an alarmist IPCC from trying to discredit François Gervais in the newspaper Le Monde. n his impotence, he blithely labels the author “astrologer” …

    • It was fun and easy. I am no computer whiz. I also don’t speak French, so when I wasn’t sure of certain passages, like article 21, I did not edit the Robot-speak.

  3. Even if the global warming theory is rubbish, is there not some value to promoting a shift away from fossil fuels? This is not a rhetorical question. What troubles me is that exposing a fraudulent argument without articulating some sort of compelling counter argument which is accessible to people who are still a long way away from wrapping their heads around the 3D chess board which is playing towards further consolidation of power and a shift towards various forms of global governance, we’re both validating the grounds for accusations that we’re promoting a “do nothing, there’s nothing to worry about” agenda which would benefit short term fossil fuel interests and, more broadly, helping to obfuscate any positive solutions which aren’t intertwined with a more nefarious overall agenda that few (if any) of us here would argue isn’t taking place. (I think that made sense…)

    It’s obviously not some sort of prerequisite or a healthy thing to feel the need to have my views line up neatly with James’. However, at this point I’d say this tends to be the case. Still, there’s something with the “climate change” issue that I find myself ill at ease with. I’m not saying that I’m entirely certain what that is, but hopefully I’ve articulated something here which will present an opportunity to spark a conversation about the specifics and not just a debate centered around challenging or defending one end of the problematically simplistic debate over “the science”. I’m really interested to hear what people’s thoughts are here, beyond confines of being a “denier” or… whatever the opposite of that is in this case (let’s not have too much fun with that 😉 )

    • A good question. Let’s add some context.

      Tim Wirth is the Vice Chair of the United Nations Foundation and the Better World Fund. (“Both organizations were founded in 1998 through a major financial commitment from Ted Turner to support and strengthen the work of the United Nations.”)

      He is quoted as saying:

      “We’ve got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing, in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.”

      Who here thinks this is the path that people claiming to be “truth seekers” should be forwarding?

      See also: the noble lie, a favorite idea of the Straussians (aka neocons).

      Assuming we do not want to promote lies in order to get people to act in the way we think they should, what is the best alternative?


      • From Santa to Satan, we embrace lies, and even feed them to our children.
        “We” have little control over big infrastructure issues like energy generation and the automotive culture. We use them as consumers, but really have no say in their establishment, other than to champion things like wind power, after being properly brainwashed.(The previous comment provides damning statistics for wind in the links, just as an example). ‘We’ are here to be led by propaganda, so we can love our subjugation and provide a smoother environment for those raking in profits and relishing control. When they are good and ready to make a profitable shift, the big boys will do it. Of course some sort of technological shift is eventually inevitable. We are now just being softened up with a bombardment of propaganda, and even a new religion, to be very supportive of long overdue changes when they roll them out.

        As Jim Marrs says, I can see the day when it will be natural to say that I am from the planet Earth, rather than from Texas, or the US, or Borneo, or whatever. So why resist the benefits of a one world government, religion, language, moral code? Well, currently we are dominated by a regime of lies, secrecy, and wars, that’s why. It is also the paradigm that still resonates with so many humans. The awakening will take generations.
        Machiavellian schemes are trumped in the long run by valid ideals, such as clear and open motives,transparency, and honesty. In other words, don’t try to outsmart the devil at his own game.
        So, all I can see right now, is to keep on promoting truth and honesty in every personal and public transaction. Don’t try to leverage or manipulate anything, or any people, based on lies.

      • Corbett:

        You are really starting to sound like a republican. Now you have disparaged Limits To Growth, the most accurate assessment of the Earth System ever to be written. We know this is true based on the apoplectic reception it received by the school of neoliberal economists upon its publication. It is one of the first books I read in pursuit of my education as an ecological and environmental biologist. To this day it remains the most accurate tome of its kind and economists still react apoplectically when ever it is mentioned.

        You now seem to me a cornucopian as well. Inclusion of the table of strategic resources is meaningless. It is unfortunate that the authors decided to include predictions of resource consumption; all such predictions are useless. The people who prepared these numbers perhaps did not imagine the infinite malfeasance exerted by criminal financiers in crashing the global economy.

        The only resource that really matters is oil (and natural gas), the feed stock for liquid transportation fuels. EVERY aspect of the economic system that was allowed to emerge, unfettered capitalism, has been and is entirely dependent on cheap and dense fossil fuels. It is in this area that you really get in trouble because your cornucopian outlook runs face first into such arcane realities like the laws of thermodynamics, energy density and energy profit ratio, realities that are immutable, constraining and easily quantifiable. Your viewpoint betrays an ignorance of all things energy. US conventional oil extraction in the lower 48 peaked in 1970 as M. King Hubbert calculated it would in 1958. Global conventional crude oil extraction peaked in 2005. These are verifiable facts. The “oil” that replaces the high-quaility crudes on which the global economy feasted since Tittusville is being replaced by sources that are too expensive to extract, both financially and thermodynamically. Thoughtful people calculate that this economy, the globalized economy, can’t function with energy profit ratios below 10. Tittusville oil, as did all of the low hanging fruit, provided EPRs of 100. This is the most important aspect of the discussion about energy.

        The Monterrey Shale Play, up until s couple of days ago, was touted to contain 15 billion bbls of oil equivalent. California was making ambitious plans for the tax windfall this bonanza would provide. The USGS has restated that resource to be 20 million bbls, about one day’s worth of US oil consumption. Ooops. This result is what is to be expected with all tight oil as the lies about tight oil become too evident to ignore. You have readers who believe in abiotic oil. This belief is the nadir of dangerous stupidity. That you don’t call these people out detracts from your overall credibility.

        You have readers who believe that geoengineering can influence weather (as opposed to climate). This sort of thinking is just madness. Climate is driven by the sun and nothing else. So perhaps it would be useful to contemplate these figures. The energy content of all fossil fuels, both consumed and still in ground has been estimated by some geeky scientists, when quantified in watts, to be in the order of magnitude of 10 to the 27th power. The amount of sunlight incident onto our planet EVERY DAY, when quantified as watts, is 10 to the 27th power. To follow the logic of the geoengineeringophiles the “manipulators” somehow conger amounts of energy that are equal to significant percentages of all the fossil fuels that ever existed to alter weather patterns. Why wouldn’t these masterminds instead use these vast amounts of energy to power our economy? Oh, I forgot, it’s the NWO’s objective to enslave us all and one of the ways to do that is to geoengineer our weather. Yeah, right.

        You have readers who don’t understand the greenhouse effect, who think of this phenomenon ss some
        kind of liberal construct to support nefarious reports that human beings are causing our climate to change. In fact, it is the greenhouse effect that makes earth habitable. Our atmosphere, 77% percent nitrogen, 23% oxygen, is a blanket that is permeable to UV radiation. When UV light strikes our planet this energy transforms to wavelengths in the infrared spectrum. Now I understand that there are people skeptical of this process because it’s been proved by scientists doing science but, honest, that’s what really happens. By the naturally occurring processes of conduction and radiation, this infrared energy, heat, wants to re-radiate back to space because hot flows to cold. During the billions of years that the Earth System evolved our atmosphere retained some of thi heat because it is opaque to IR wave lengths. This happens in a state of dynamic equilibrium, a balance that results is a benign environment – Gaia. Photosynthesis sequestered excess carbon in the atmosphere into what became fossil fuels. The planet cooled down over who knows how many millions of years and ultimately reached a level at which all flora and fauna could flourish. This benevolent environment remained fundamentally constant though there were certainly perturbations caused by volcanoes and asteroid impacts but the state of dynamic equilibrium persisted.

        Until the beginning of the fossil fuel age when all hell broke loose. Nearly nobody understands the speed at which humans beings have released this carbon. We’ve dumped billions of tons of sequestered carbon back into the atmosphere in merely a blink of the geologic eye. Our atmosphere is becoming more opaque which means more heat is being trapped and that results in a warming planet. This is how it works. If a climate denier were to take a class in environmental science at the 300 level, let’s say, (why a climate change denier would enroll in such a class is another question) and was asked to explain the greenhouse effect, if he/she said he/she didn’t believe such hogwash the instructor would fail he/she and rightfully so. This would be the grade for all deniers.

        Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe you also pooh-pooh that population is our biggest problem of all, that talk of carrying capacity is utter nonsense. Compare the graph of world oil consumption since Tittusville with the graph displaying the current world’s population. The 2 curves are identical. Exponential growth in the world’s population was only possible by converting vast quantities of oil and natural gas into food. The only conclusion that can be drawn with regard to population and oil is that when the oil depletes so to must the world’s population deplete. The only question, really, is how viscous depopulation will be.

        Still waiting to see that you’ve invited any of the people I listed in a previous post – I replied to the poster called Corbett though I hardly imagine I could provoke a direct response from you. As stated previously your 9/11 work and Fed reporting are good but your positions on energy and climate, for me, are very unfortunate.

  4. Just to mention, this “non-science” of scientists is common to many areas. NASA is equally off-the-mark when interpreting the information relayed by space probes. This is more than evident in the analyses of Wallace Thornhill and others at the Electric Universe (,

    • Oops, the address should be:

    • I agree that the science is fundamentally flawed. To the extent your analysis is designed to confirm or disprove a specific hypothesis. The IPCC is essentially doing research in this manner which, along with other factors, completely undermines any sort of unbiased fact driven research. You’re right to point out poor analysis given by respected authorities continues to have to be retracted when contradictory information presents itself.

      My general sense is that our scientific approach to climate science frequently lacks the humility which would force us to consider (and respect) the limitations of our abilities to make accurate far reaching statements about what we can prove is leading to what. Finite statements about long term sea level changes for example just don’t take into account constant change which has been happening since way before the idea that we were contributing to this or that factor would’ve been conceivable. That doesn’t however mean that it’s not happening, but recognizing it as such at least potentially circumvents phony inconvenient truths.

      I don’t however, think that because people are throwing out predictions about long term environmental trends, there isn’t proof that there are changes happening like the rise in the surface temperature in the oceans. I’m highly skeptical that an argument that human activity is responsible for this change. Again, it’s an assessment that there’s still plenty of changes that are taking place which are beyond the scope of what we ought to grant ourselves with permission to analyze with precision.

      There is phenomenon such as destruction of areas of coral reef for example where it seems pretty evident that things we are doing are causing massive devastation to various habitats. In line with my comment about the “Cowspiracy” documentary, I think there are far bigger elephants (or piles of cow manure) that we can point to and analyze and recognize the role of humans in that degradation, that ought not even be scientifically controversial unless your a spokesperson for the industry in question. I think focusing on these sorts of arguments is a practical way to find a certain amount of common cause with some of the real environmentalist who care, but are being mislead, and demonstrate that there are issues like nuclear waste and oil spills which are “energy” policies which ought to be at the forefront of activism. I’m more concerned with BP and others causing obvious environmental destruction through spills and what not than trying to find strategies to “limit emissions”.

      I think shifting the conversation towards these immediate concerns would be a more practical tactic than focusing too much on what the IPCC really represents. We don’t even need to win an argument on these other things, most rational people will recognize that concerns such as those mentioned above ought to take precedence over the climate summit hamster wheel sessions.

      I’d even say there are business opportunities in creating solutions which don’t require (and shouldn’t) federal stimulus and initiatives. I see this as just one aspect of what could be a more proactive approach to undermining some of the false solutions being concocted to perpetuate these nefarious market based charades being proposed by world “leaders”.

  5. BTW: any of you watched “Cowspiracy” documentary? I wasn’t entirely onboard with it for various reasons. However, the basic argument that overlooking the deforestation and pollution associated with factory farming in any conversation about threats to the environment is not only ridiculous, but as much proof as anything that the margins of “debate” around “climate change” (with or without quotes) are being manufactured and quarantined like Taco Bell meat. The part where he asks the agro lobby representative whether they donate to groups like Greenpeace and she says that she not sure whether she can answer that was a pretty nice “gotcha” moment…

  6. So the question is, WHO do you want to be leading the world away from fossil fuels?

    Normal people who see it in their best interest and that of future generations to do so. My parents put solar panels on their home and not only run entirely on this source for energy, they’re even able to “sell” back surplus energy (I’m not sure how that works). My Mom has worked on a volunteer basis for the town’s energy policy, reducing waste, and she’s done the groundwork to put solar panels on the roof of the town’s trash facility to provide similar benefits to the town financially and people in general on an ecological basis. Yes, there are tax credits involved in this process. This seems to be one of the few examples where government has recognized, not just from an ecological standpoint, but from a cost efficiency standpoint that there’s benefit in encouraging implementation of these sorts of policies.

    Entrepreneurs can lead the way in pushing new technologies and creating alternatives instead of sitting around waiting for some conglomerate to misuse tax credits in typical corporate fashion to create inferior products and technologies. This is already happening but it should be encouraged.

    François Gervais makes a point of saying that of course we must find alternatives to fossil fuels – that we must give science some time to do so and that until we do find them the human cost of abandoning fossil fuels is too great, especially based on entirely fabricated climate alarmism.

    As I pointed out, there are already alternatives and the idea that we need to give time to consider the “human cost of abandoning fossil fuels” being to great is the type of statement I find highly suspect and undermines my confidence in his motives for arguing against “climate alarmism” even if the basis he’s doing so is on sound scientific research. I have the same beef with this logic as I do with the lack of objectivity when it comes to the IPCC and I don’t understand why people who correctly point this out don’t see how the work of so called climate “deniers” (a term which I reject) are supporting those with vested interests in the fossil fuel industries, whether or not it’s intentional. When I say “I don’t understand why people…” it’s not intended to be an insult, I just honestly don’t.

    Even if the C02 argument is a fabrication there are practical reasons to move away from fossil fuels, be it disasters like the BP spill (one of many), other general forms of pollution and contamination of water resources through fracking, and one of the biggest chess pieces of all the oil politics which dictate so many of the policies all of us here find outrageous. Of course I don’t “want mendacious murders, prestigious peadophiles and ignorant celebrities leading humanity’s projects”, I want people like my Mom for instance to take the initiative on real alternatives and stop allowing the perpetuation of meaningless climate summits and promotions of an “alternative” paradigm guided by the same interests who’ve engineered Middle East oil politics.

    One of my concerns is that I see well warranted skepticism about the climate agenda being used unwittingly by us to support one aspect of the status quo without seizing opportunities to advocate for hands on proactivity, where we can lead positive change instead of waiting around for the George Cloonys and Clintons to advocate for their own reach around eco-nomic schemes. I tell people that I’m highly skeptical of the way the climate change debate argument is being steered, certainly the underlying “logic”, but I’m all for ditching fossil fuels, deforestation, and other types of man made destruction of the environment which we can see with our own eyes and don’t need some fancy panel of government sponsored scientists to roll out annual prophecies of doom which ‘only governments and global institutions can solve’. F-that…

  7. Good evenin’ as well nosoapradio =]

    Likewise, I appreciate your thoughts and the spirit of the debate.

    So I reiterate my question: Do you want to see Maurice Strong, the Rockefeller family, Al Gore and the undeniably murderous United Nations managing the world’s move away from fossil fuels?

    Of course not. I mentioned my Mom’s efforts because I see this as an example of being proactive and taking matters into our own hands instead of sitting around waiting for the kinds of “solutions” the parties you mentioned have in mind. I’m opposed to the idea of using phony or misleading information the way groups like Greenpeace have done even if it were used to champion initiatives which I would support, simply on principle. I’m just listing Greenpeace as an example, not because they’re champions of any initiatives that I support. Maybe they had some legitimacy at some point (I don’t know), but I see them as just one more example of hogs feeding at the climate catastrophe trough next to Al Gore, Bill Gates, and the Rockefellers.

    My main point (or one of them) is that we could be far more effective in our efforts to steer the discourse away from the false solutions people are being conditioned into not only accepting, but demanding, by exposing the fallacy on one hand, but on the other advocating for proactive steps that we can take into our own hands. I support the idea of exposing the way climate alarmism is being used to push an agenda, but I think we could get a lot more mileage by making a concerted effort to follow up (or couple) articles like this with advocacy for real solutions.

    I know I haven’t done a spectacular job articulating what it is I’d like to get at, but hopefully this does a more effective job in clarifying my position in response to your question.

  8. I agree that Tim Wirth etc are despicable parasites (on valid concerns about pollution and weather changes) and this discussion goes a long way to shut up their damned pieholes.

    Let’s not get snippy with the innocent public whose reasonable concerns are being ridden on by Mr. Global for profit and power.

    Regarding NASA, aren’t they a PR front for something they try desperately to keep hidden? Whatever NASA says has some stink to it.

  9. Is AGW a front to hide weather warfare?

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