Interview 1536 – Vince Perfetto on the Free State Project

by | Apr 14, 2020 | Interviews | 25 comments

Vince Perfetto, Executive Director of the Free State Project, joins us to introduce the project to congregate liberty-minded people in New Hampshire. We discuss the origins of the FSP, its goals, and what it has accomplished so far. Vince also answers James’ questions about the problems inherent in such a project and the difficulties any such geographically-located liberty community will face.

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  1. I wanted to post this even tough it isn’t relevant to this interview…

    This is something that jumped out at me from an interview another member left a link to in the comments section of another recent Corbett report.

    The Clade X exercise drill from May 15 2018:

    This is just the trailer I am sure the video covering the whole exercise is full of “coincidences”

    Segment 1

  2. I like the idea. But it seems to me that the FSP is a physical manifestation of what needs to occur in the minds of people everywhere.
    It would be great to have a secret handshake to be able to identify other free thinkers. Oh yeah. Forgot. No more handshakes.
    Seriously though.. I know that there are other anarchists here in my town. But I have no idea who they are. I know that there are other people who would fight for their rights but I don’t know them.
    As JC said, it would be nice to have friends and neighbors of like mind. Perhaps we all do.

    I have no one to blame but myself for not being more sociable. But it is difficult to find out how people think without running a real risk of triggering or offending them. Over the last decade or so I have tried with the result of winnowing my true friend list down to maybe two. I think. And neither of them will call themselves anarchists. Though I am the first to admit that my approach can be off putting to most. Larken Rose’s CITD helped a bit. A little late though.

    We need to find a way of translating the like minded people online into like minded people in real life somehow.
    After all, everyone lives somewhere.

  3. I plan to leave California soon.
    My list of destinations is being sorted by the degree to which the people of the area were able to see through and resist this ‘virus’ sham.
    I will be looking into New Hampshire and the Free State Project all day today.
    Thank you so much for coming on the Corbett Report.

  4. I love New Hampshire – used to escape there on the weekends (from Quebec where the military treated us like shit, on purpose).

    Live free or die! Indeed.

  5. Thanks for this. You challenged each other.
    Will check out fsp, but it is too cold for me to live in NH.
    Philosophically, am with you.
    This is the best of the CR. You are presenting a positive, actionable alternative here.
    In a similar spirit, I suggest that you research and then interview intelligent sources of alternatives to the dominant medical model of one disease-one cause-one virus, vaccines, chemotherapy, antibiotics, and radiation. This model often overlooks environmental toxicity and nutrient deficiencies. You could start with mercola, greenmedinfo, and doctoryourself, among others. All of them have something to offer everybody. Like yours, their research is open source. Like you, they can write and speak clearly. I suggest that you interview them also.
    I can only imagine that now more than ever their ideas about maintaining your own health yourself are of interest to your listeners.

  6. I’m sure this guy is a good person, means well and works hard, but James showed that the fsp has a loooooooooooooooong way to go with the usual tyrant in the governor’s mansion. (the fact that there is a governor’s mansion is most disturbing.) Wonder how much Gates money he has.

    Check out what the governor of South Dakota said about she doesn’t have the power to shut down the economy and refused to do it.

    Where are all these supposed libertarian and civil liberties groups, especially the legal groups, during this mess? Why aren’t there law suits all over trying to stop this bs on legal and constitutional grounds? I’ve only seen news about two so far, one for shuttering gun shops and one for stopping an Easter service. Why are all the Christians such utter pathetic wimps, allowing the cancellation of Easter services? This situation is so bad, I am truly afraid for my children.

    • ccuthbert2001 says:
      “Check out what the governor of South Dakota said about she doesn’t have the power to shut down the economy and refused to do it.”

      EXCERPT from Forbes 4/14/2020
      Gov. Kristi Noem (South Dakota) is one of five governors yet to issue a statewide stay-at-home order,
      saying that it is the job of individuals, not the government
      “to exercise their right to work, to worship and to play. Or to even stay at home.”

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~
      The headline is a hyperbole of the overall situation.
      The article cites a breakout of 300 workers at a pork meat processing plant.
      South Dakota Refused To Shut Down, Now Faces One Of The Largest Coronavirus Outbreaks In The Country
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~
      My take:
      An important aspect which the media and government deliberately omit to emphasize:

      A large proportion of the population will (or have already) get the COVID-19 crud.
      The shut downs slow down the spread,
      but it does not stop the spread.

      In fact, an argument could be made that wide exposure to the COVID-19 crud can help the society’s immune function response at large.
      Humans do get sick.
      Always have.
      I contend that “getting sick on occasion” is healthy for a species.
      But WHO, Bill Gates, the CDC say they want to eliminate “getting sick”.

      • I agree – the immune system is the healer of all disease and it needs to have practice. Good heard immunity comes naturally through a healthy people who are eating right with a whole foods natural diet – not this fast food genocide they are perpetuating on the people. When the disease runs its course, the people would be stronger for it. Natural selection only begins to run a course when things are out of balance for some reason. It is a whole natural system – the earth – us and everything upon it.

        Eat the garbage and then they catch the sick on the other side.

        What they are doing with this corona virus is like they are reaping all of the sick and elderly in some great culling that is taking place.

        Just step back and look at the actions they are taking – they want this thing to spread a certain way. If you break down the way they are acting and see it all part of a great plan – you get the see the logistics of the operation

        It is a 911 type medical problem reaction solution on a grander scale!

  7. I really, really enjoyed this conversation with Vince Perfecto.
    He communicates well, in a relaxed and very real way.
    He is the kind of guy I would enjoy having at a group table in the restaurant.
    A friend.

    It was nice to see him interviewed.
    I first noticed him at the comment section of Interview 1535 – New World Next Week with James Evan Pilato

  8. Again, I want to emphasize that there are probably many like-minded individuals living in surrounding the area of Corbett Report Members.
    They may not be on the exact page number as you, but who is?
    The spectrum is probably much like Vince talks about in New Hampshire.

    It’s a numbers game…
    – Communicating to others –
    Corbett Report Member, Joe S. and I were talking about this around a week ago over the phone.
    Joe was telling me about how a renter had moved in to a place near him a few years ago. They got to chatting, and come to find out… the fellow knew about all kinds of things which were going down.
    That renter moved out and another moved in. Joe and the new renter got to chatting, and sure enough, the fellow was right in there hip to what was happening.

    During the “9/11 Truth Wars” (the era of 9/11 street activism), both Joe and I, each contacted well over 10,000 people individually, face to face, as we disseminated DVDs and literature.
    In the early years of 2006, not as many people knew.
    But as time progressed, more and more folks on the street were aware of the 9/11 cover-up.

    My point in all this:
    Talk to folks, start conversations, edge in a nugget here and there, and see how the other person responds.
    Some folks are extremely receptive.

    Just last week at a Natural Foods type grocery store, I was telling the cashier (and actually many others around the store) about “Ozone & Ultraviolet Light Blood Therapy” for coronavirus.
    She was very receptive as we chatted back-n-forth.
    The lady customer behind me chimed in.

    That lady and I walked out of the store together all cheery and sharing stories about what a sham this coronavirus shutdown is, how the media neglects nutritional health, and the value of alternative media.
    Of course, as usual, I mentioned The Corbett Report.
    She asked, “what is that website again?”
    I had to spell it. James Corbett (not Colbert)

    It was a wonderful conversation. I could tell that it made her day. Mine too.

    • It is good to come across people of like minds – it is an uplifting experience. But I also have had a falling out with people who know about this conspiracy.

      One of themread all of David Icke’s books, knew about the zionist part of the scam and fell for the trump psy-op. I keep trying to show her that her sources of information were mockingbird sources. She fell under the spell of hanity, limbaugh and clyde lewis who is certainly a misinfomationist. You know what she said to me when in one conversation about it – she said the most unreasonable statement to me – “because that is who I have to listen to.” What? wow – after that I stopped calling her. It was some form of stockholm syndrom. The fear of knowing what was coming caused her to give her mind away to savior complex – and they sold both trump and obama as saviors to their respective camps, what a joke!

      Then I have seen people who are in some kind of trauma and they relate to what this conspiracy is in a compulsive way – because it is something to reflect their pain upon where in certain instances they need to look with in themselves instead of projecting onto the conpirators – they have their blame for sure for things, but the people who don’t want to take responsibilty for their character is another thing.

      This one past friend was lying to me about his ex-girlfriend. SO i went and inquired with her and got a whole different story.

      This guy was breaking into her house and car, cutting himself and writing things inside the car in blood. Well I confronted him with it – he didn’t deny it – he was so enraged with jelousy because I was talking to her – it just blew up and he was trying to justify what he did. But all that time never telling me what was really going on – it was all her fault, she done him wrong!?

      There is a psychology to knowing about this kind of knowledge and it does attract certain people who look to project their trauma on it with out owning it to clear and heal it.

      I can go on but I will leave it at that, fear has a way playing on the mind.

      But yeah there are good people who know about what is going as well and it is a pleasure to come across them.

      Last time I went to the grocery store – I just told the guy at the door handing out gloves and letting people in the store – that it was all a psy-op. Maybe it will get him thinking and others who were in ear shot because I just said it out loud.

      What a circus they had going on in there…

  9. Thank you for this link, Alexandre. I didn’t know that either but Rosa has explained it very well.

    About your comment below, it is awful that you can’t even forget about this stuff in dreams. Maybe you should take a break about all this story and rest a little bit! I did it a week ago (or maybe two… I don’t know, time is passing very slowly) and it went very well. I think that I will have to repeat it soon…

    • You are welcome, Alexandre. Of course, I understand what you say. Thinking about dreams is probably one of the most underrated human mental processes and we should do it frequently. I have to say that one of the best feelings I have had in my life was while dreaming, so you can imagine how much I value it. In fact I felt kind of identified with your comment because this night I had a “corona-related” dream with a crystal clear meaning (although it wasn’t a nightmare).

      Yes, sometimes we think about how we would behave if something happens but then the reallity is very different. That’s one of the reasons why thinking too much about certain topics is useless. Your airplane example is very good to explain precisely that. Although, to be honest… now I am curious about what would cross my mind in that moment.

      But my point was more about your daily conscious mind. Something so simple like what you did watching videos or reading can do miracles. On that regard, do you remember that I recommended you to read Thoreau? James, in today’s video has quoted him. This is signal from the non-dream world 😉

      I love long answers (maybe the servers of the corbettreport not so much), so don’t worry.

      Alexandre, today I was searching about the lockdown in your country but I couldn’t get a real image of the situation of it because it seems that there are confrontations between the governors and the president. If you have time and you feel like, can you sum up what Brazilians are allowed and not allowed to do? At least according to them, because in reallity we are free (even if most of the times we do what they want)

      • Alexandre, haros here. I changed my username to this random word that I thought that it sounded well, at least reading it in Spanish, while creating my new mail address. I am trying to delete everything I have with criminals like Google and Microsoft. Although I have to say that I am very dissappointed with Protonmail for sending me a message about coronavirus too. Anyway, I better stop beating around the bush…

        Thank you very much for this explanation! Very interesting. For what I see, people there are reacting quite similar than in Spain and other places in the world. How amazing is that people with different mindsets are behaving in the same way. I have to say that I haven’t seen drones and many polices either. In fact, I have driven my car twice because I was stressed and I needed to get out of home and I didn’t find a single police car on the streets, no drones, no controls… nothing. Don’t think that I live in the middle of nowhere. I even took one of the busiest highways in Spain. Not only that, both days I passed in front of the hospital near of my city and it was emptier than I had ever seen.

        It will be interesting how this story developes in your country, since everybody seems to be against Bolsonaro. In fact I have just read an article in ElPais (Spanish news website/newspaper) strongly critizising the President and saying that he is ignoring science (I get so mad when these human disgraces talk about science…).

        The thing about Brazil is that it is huge, so maybe the future is black for big cities like Rio and SP but not so much for rural areas. I don’t know what is the agenda for little towns or cities, but it seems to me that Governments are letting them die slowly (at least this is what is happening in Spain). Talking about Facebook, this madness would have been much more difficult without cancers like Facebook, Twitter, Whatsapp or Instagram. And almost impossible without the older technological diseases named TV and radio.

        By the way, I have just taken a look at the Spanish news website that I have just told you and if citizens really believe this BS and base their information on it, then there is not hope for Spain.

      • It has no meaning in Spanish because is a word formed by the initial of other words! I meant reading it with Spanish phonetics.

        Yesterday I went out to drive a little and, again, no police, drones or anything. Is media maybe inflating the numbers of controls, offenders and so on, to create the effect of Martial Law? Oh, your poor sister has completely fallen on the psy-op! My family too. I find myself explaining things to my parents to make them feel safe about “the virus” and my brother sabotaging my work on the other side (without bad intention). I find the odd situation in which my parents believe in me but behave as if the believe the Government (doublethink?). By the way, what is what your sister doesn’t believe about the non-mainstream point of view of the plandemic?

        I agree with you about what you say about countries. But the reality is that society believe in borders and, unfortunately, we “have” to play their game. Even if we wouldn’t want to belong to society and live in a forest, we would end facing the government.

        I guess that the website is redirecting you to the Brazilian version, but you can change it to see what is happening in Spain -just in the case that you want to get sick reading what Spaniards say-. I understand you. I rarely enter these pages and only when I search for something very specific (for example the surveillance measures they are introducing in Spain). But everytime I swallow news headlines that I didn’t want to see and I get very nervous and angry.

      • Don’t worry, it is an invented word, so you can pronounce it as you wish. You can also call me “Amen”, which is shorter and God will be happy with you!

        It’s funny. Short before you replied my comment, I also thought about Jimbob, because this afternoon I was in a terrible mood too.

        Oh, now I understand it. I guess that we have to deal with family caring about us. They do that with their best intention, so we can’t blame them. In my case, the one worried is my mother. I agree with you: she can’t base this fear in her “pesquisa” because she has nothing to compare it with. This plandemic is just making people to be aware that others die. The plan is so stupid that it is brilliant. And people have eaten it with potatoes (I don’t know if I can say this expresion in English). Anyway, this “fuck it” moment is necessary. Awakenings usually start after a moment like that.

        Absolutely. If others want to be slaves and waste their lives to make rulers richer, it is their problem. But why individials who want to be free have to suffer because these pusillanimous sheep? In the last days I have reached one conclusion: the only way to be free is to stop depending mentally on the material world. I guess it sounds spiritual, but if we base our freedom on the external world, it won’t be possible to reach this ideal because these psycopaths can jail us at any time if they want. Or even torture us, as you have mentioned.

        What an interesting thought about Governments being the reflection of the masses. I am not sure but I think someone said the same… Maybe Gustave Le Bon in “Psychology of Crowds”? I can’t remember. Reading “The Gulag Archipielago” made me realize how evil humans can be, and not only those with power. This is the darkness that you have described at the end of your comment.

        Let me finish quoting Nietzsche:

        A state, is called the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly lieth it also; and this lie creepeth from its mouth: “I, the state, am the people.”

      • “papa” is said in South America and in some parts of Spain, but where I live we say “patatas”. Nice to see how it is said in your language and in English.

        Nooo. I guess that I explained myself very bad hahaha. A-M-E-N-E-T-U-S-I-E-N. Every letter is the initial of a word. What I said about “Amen” was a joke, because it is by chance that this word appears in my username.

        Yep, you are right. Even when we realize that we have this dark side there is not an easy escape from it because, as you say, it is a part of ourselves. Nice story by this comedian! Very good way to express it. Ah yes… The materialistic point of view of the world, an concretely of psychology, has destroyed the minds of society. Just expressing the possibility that we might be more than bones and flesh to someone, produces the same reaction that talking about chemstrails, alternative medicine or the antivaccine movement (and I am talking from personal experience in all of them).

        I agree with you. In fact we all should learn how to live in the most basic way for what might happen in the future. This is a knowledge that would make us automatically more free, even if it is just by lossing some fear. Regarding to Buddha, I have never read texts from ancient Asia but I should because I usually love what I have read from other authors. Alan Watts was the one who introduced me into these topics. Fear, desire and social duty… In fact fear might include the other two. Most of the problems in this world, if not all, come from it. Fear of dying, fear of pain, fear of loneliness and so on.

        Yes, who knows. Today I read that Italian lawyers were going to sue their Government, as well I read the same for their German colleagues. But at any rate, I absolutely agree with you: as long as there is a Government, we can delay things but the dystopia will come. If I don’t die before China model come to the rest of the world, I hope to find myself hunting and collecting fruit somewhere in the world where I can be free, because I don’t want to see this perversion.
        I had thougth the same than you about translating Corbett’s videos, but I could only do it if someone would transcript the whole video in English, because sometimes I lose some words (mostly when there is another speaker, like a guest or a fragment of another video).

      • Well, at the end of the day we should understand the truth by ourselves. It doesn’t matter how many books we read, how many teachings of Buddha (or any other) we study, they should be just like a guide. I would say that they are like little hammers which help us to destroy the kilometers of layers of manipulation dirt that surround us. Although we have to be careful because some books just add more layers of it…

        I wouldn’t say that you (or I) are pessimistic taking into account the events unfolding in front of our eyes. And we probably don’t even know the worst parts of all these events. But I am glad that at least you are having optimistic feelings!

        Let’s see how it goes. The next months will be extremely important to see how population reacts to the new laws, to the economic crisis, to the fear of “germs”… summing up, to the “new normal” that everybody is talking about. Depending on that, we could find ourselves taking very hard decisions.

        By the way, this morning I was looking up which countries were the largest in the world, in I was surprised to see how huge Brazil is! I knew it was big, but not THAT big! You have plenty of places to hide if you need it in the future.

        That sentence by Emilio MV has reminded me the video of germs by Carlin.

        Viva las patatas… bravas!

      • Did you cook these tasty “patatas bravas”? Yes, it’s paprika! Don’t worry for the cayenne, anything hot spicy will make the trick, I guess. This dish is one of the most famous “tapas” in Spain, at least where I live, and it is unbelievable the variability that there is between bars and restaurants. From hell to heaven, almost!

        Brazil (well, the area in the map that humans name “Brazil” :D) is one of the options I have thought about moving, depending on how this madness advances. For some reason it attracts me more than other countries of the area, although Argentina could be a nice place to go too. I think the same about Spain, and it is much smaller than Brazil. I have visited so few places that I couldn’t say that I know “my” country.

        Intuition… the price we have paid for living in society. At least in this kind of society. It has to come back. I also have doubts of what “the powers” want for us. The mid-long term is very clear (I think), but the next months or years… I don’t know. Maybe they are working mainly in children subconscious, so even if we can back to some sort of normal, they won’t. Just imagine kids seeing fear anywhere they look at, people with masks and gloves, almost two months without being able to hang out (in Spain at least), TV lies, hours and hours and hours of videogames/videos etc. I don’t think that most of these kids will be able to be like they were before.

        I understand you, I feel the same. Although I have “always” thought that depression can be really good for our minds, if we know how to take advantage of that. Do you mean Rudolf Steiner? I don’t know which Dr is! I started to read one book by him but I found another more interesting at that concrete moment and I left it unfinished. I have to retake decens of books…

        By the way, in the case that you prefer the email to hold the conversation, feel free to write me at (the username is the same that here -amenetusien-).

      • Don’t worry! We all have a life outside internet :D. Actually I am surprised that this “tapa” is so well-known in the world since I have just seen that it was created in the 60’s in Madrid. In 60 years it has been spread around the world! Maybe we ask to some lost tribe in Brazil and they even know about it. Globalization.

        Can I ask you why don’t you recommend me Brazil? I mean, as you say it is crazy to call it “country” since it is so huge, but living in a little town or city surrounded by nature must be great! I feel that most of South America is quite wild, not like Spain which has been absolutely modified. If I am not mistaken the only place which hasn’t been modified by men in this country is an island of “Islas Canarias” (I can’t remember which one). Oh Cadaqués… manbearpig would surely feel like at home, since you can hear more French than Spanish or Catalan there. The place is purely high-class but it is very beautiful. In fact the whole “Costa Brava” is amazing.

        I have seen a little bit about these protests, yes, although I have been very disconnected in the last days from this whole topic. Nonetheless I have seen very interesting news, like that in Czech Republic they declared confinement illegal. In fact, after seeing these news I saw a couple of opinion articles stating that in Spain the whole lockdown is probably illegal, which I would say “surely” illegal after I downloaded the Spanish Constitution and read how many articles are being destroyed by these measures.

        I totally agree with you about depression. My mom has been taking pills for depression for years and I have achieved at least that she stops taking them little by little. Have you read “Mind Control, World Control” by Jim Keith? Noah from this website recommended it to me and there is serious stuff related to this topic in this book.

        Actually, after reading half of the book Faust by Goethe (I’m not sure why but in the last months I can’t finish a book), I think that Goethe would actually believe how we are living, at least in all related with human psyche. Of course I don’t think he could have ever imagined the technological madness we have today.

        At least it worked for you! The little I read by Steiner was very interesting, so I will read him in a close future for sure.

        You definitely have to check out recipes from País Vasco and this area! Spanish cuisine is quite good. The most famous is probably “Paella valenciana”, so you can try it. Jajaja, te veo viviendo en España.

  10. James — Q4C: Could you do a thing on jury nullification? That’s a lot of power to the people.

  11. Thanks for linking to that, Alexandre. That was a good interview. I also didn’t realize that. I really admire her. To follow-up, I’m just now starting her talk at the Open Mind Conference 2013:

    James should get a follow-up interview with her in light of today, the brave new normal.

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